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Nvidia 560 beta driver release (www.nvidia.com)

submitted 3 months ago by federino@programming.dev to c/linux@lemmy.ml

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[–] stuckgum@lemmy.ml 21 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

Some time ago I managed to sell my 3070 ti and buy a brand new RX 6800 for the same money. 99% of my desktop issues are now gone. Seriously, if you don’t need CUDA, don’t bother… Get rid of Nvidia it is not worth the hassle

[–] ulkesh@beehaw.org 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I effectively did the same. While I’m happy NVIDIA is finally got their heads out of their butts and are acquiescing to this, it’s going to still be years before it’s on the same level as radeon in terms of stability and the just works factor.

[–] chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 months ago

I just sold my 3070 and bought a 7800XT for the same reasons.

[+] PseudoSpock@lemmy.dbzer0.com -49 points 3 months ago (4 children)

That would be giving into the Linux kernel and wayland driver bigots who set out to destroy NVidia on Linux, simply because of the driver's license. Linus, the kernel dev team, and wayland devs sought to break NVidia at every turn. A company that provided us with the best graphics cards on Linux for over a decade, because they couldn't get in and mess with NVidia's code and steal their secrets from their drivers. Don't give into to that level of zealotry. If anything, NVidia and their users should sue Linus and all the wayland devs for the years of crap they've pulled. All over a license. I love Linux, and am forever indebted to Linus for starting it... but this zealotry over licensing is why GNU never got off the ground itself; and they should be spanked for what they did to us. Wayland devs especially, they should be banned from opensource dev work forever and crippled financially for the crime they've committed.

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Is it that people don’t mind sounding like morons in public or that they think everybody else is stupid enough to fall for their nonsense? I always wonder when I read something like this.

[–] Supermariofan67@programming.dev 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Looks like the birdie has escaped phoronix...

In the small chance that this comment is serious, Nvidia is found this because the corporate server-based customers need the ability to troubleshoot and debug the driver.

The actual trade secrets are being moved into the proprietary firmware blob and out of the driver.

[–] PseudoSpock@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Which will still be enough for Linus to prevent NVidia from getting full access to the kernel internals.

[–] jjlinux@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago

Dude, the kernel is OSS. WTF are you on about? Ever heard of Zen+ or Xanmod? What's keeping Nvidia from doing just that and have the Nvidia GPU owners just use their nodded kernel?

[–] dan@upvote.au 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

AMD used to have the same issue - their drivers were proprietary and buggy (anyone remember fglrx?). The difference is that they did something about it. Their modern drivers are open-source and mainlined so it's easy for anyone to work on them. New kernel display/GPU features always come to AMD first, because the kernel developers working on the new feature can just add it to the AMD driver themselves.

Nvidia have open-source drivers now, but they're still out of tree (so they'll always lag behind the kernel) and AFAIK they have no plains to merge them into the kernel.

I appreciate Nvidia's efforts, and their newer drivers are much better than older ones (especially now that they support explicit sync), but they're just not as good as AMD's.

[+] PseudoSpock@lemmy.dbzer0.com -11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Could have been, if Linux kernel devs and wayland devs weren't trying to break it all the time.

[–] baru@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So instead of accepting that the driver should be GPL and part of the kernel, you turn things around and pretend the development of the kernel is the way that it is because of a conspiracy against Nvidia?

The bit regarding Wayland doesn't make sense, no idea what you're getting at. Though maybe you don't follow Linux developments?

[–] PseudoSpock@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's not a conspiracy. Here's Linus, himself, publicly picking a fight with NVidia. All because of a driver not being open source. I love open source, I love the GPL, but no individual or company should be required to do business that way. It's up to them, as is their right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_36yNWw_07g

[–] jjlinux@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

All because of a driver not being open source

Do you even assemble the sentences in your head before you post?

That is precisely the issue, it's closed source.

Now you're just trolling. Did your dad block all the porn in your home network and now you're bored?

[–] PseudoSpock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Closed source isn’t a crime. However trying to ruin a company with exclusionary tactics can be. Linux kernel devs and Wayland devs have all conspired to harm a company.

[–] SuitedUpDev@feddit.nl 2 points 3 months ago

Closed source isn’t a crime. However trying to ruin a company with exclusionary tactics can be. Linux kernel devs and Wayland devs have all conspired to harm a company.

NVIDIA kinda shoot themselves in the foot on Linux and excluding themselves. Refusing to support generally supported APIs like;

VA-API

NVIDIA rather wants the OSS community the use their VDPAU or NVENC / NVDEC API's. Whilst everything and dog uses VA-API.

Not true anymore (for driver above 495), but in the past NVIDIA refused to support GBM (for Wayland) and rather have compositors use EGLStreams instead of GBM.

Next to that modern NVIDIA hardware (GTX 900 and 1000 series) on the opensource Nouveau drivers cannot be reclocked because it needs some magically blessed signature by NVIDIA. NVIDIA refuses to supply that signature for that hardware but did release it for 1600 and up series.

That's just two things where I am like, dafuq are you doing NVIDIA....

[–] jjlinux@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago

How much? Come on, you're among friends, you can tell us...

[–] penquin@lemm.ee 19 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Still went all AMD when I built my PC a couple of months ago. Plug and play is what it was, plug and play. Nvidia won't get any money from me until all their shit is open source.

[–] EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I would love to buy an AMD, but I can't afford it, so I'm stuck with the Nvidia I have.

It. blows.

[–] penquin@lemm.ee 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Find something used. If you have Facebook, see the market place. I don't have Facebook, my wife does, and I always find great deals on it. Bought me a Dell 27" 4 monitor for $80. That thing is used $275 used on Amazon. If no Facebook, then try eBay. Used is not that bad most of the time.

[–] EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

No, seriously, when I say I can't afford it, I mean I really can't afford it. Like, seriously, my "Fun" budget for each month? 15 dollars. Lol. I'm brooooooooke as fuck, bruh.

[–] penquin@lemm.ee 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Oh damn, I'm sorry, I didn't know. Well then do whatever gets you going.

[–] EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Hey it's cool. Like you said, you didn't know.

And it'll be fine, one way or another. I do what I can. ¯\('_')/¯

[–] pbjamm@beehaw.org 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

ebay seems to just be a place for scammers and people selling used items for new prices.

[–] penquin@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago

I've actually noticed that, too, but you can still run into good things, although very rarely.

[–] federino@programming.dev 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I wish I could do this, but where I live I just can't find a laptop with a good amd gpu (I live in Brazil), so I'm locked to nvidia :/

[–] Amaterasu@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Maybe a laptop with a very good CPU and an eGPU? You can get it from Aliexpress.

[–] furzegulo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

sadly this beta seems to be pretty broken, at least on my setup with 4070tis. i cannot even boot to plasma with the open-dkms and with the propietary one plasma is pretty glitchy, so i reverted back to 555.

[–] yardratianSoma@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Really? Thanks for the heads up. I'm enjoying the relative stability of 555 so I'll hold my breath a bit longer.

[–] 1984 -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Lols. :)

Nvidia programmers strike again...