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Assuming the title to be accurate, what is a good way for the working class (90%+ of all humans) to save and succeed in this current environment?

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[โ€“] NomenCumLitteris@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

Gold and silver.

[โ€“] ToxicDivinity@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago

The only way for a working class person to have any financial security is to join or build a strong union with other working class people. The rich/powerful/elites will always be able to crush us if we don't work together

[โ€“] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 month ago

Social revolution is the best retirement plan.

[โ€“] thatsnomayo@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm too lazy for this just read Superimperialism

[โ€“] aviation_hydrated@infosec.pub 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Good advice, thank you for sharing

[โ€“] thatsnomayo@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

it's a really good book also the author's podcasts with radhika desai begin with a good primer on it

Cool, I'll check it out

[โ€“] boaratio@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Just stop paying your bills.

[โ€“] Clbull@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Disclaimer: I work in accountancy (Commercial Finance) but my advice should be taken with a pinch of salt.

  1. Diversify your investments. Have savings across multiple bank accounts so that the unlikely event where one bank fails doesn't wipe out your financial wealth., and overall don't put your eggs in one basket.

  2. Currently, the best ROI/passive income you'll get is from corporate bonds. A cursory glance at the Hargreaves Lansdown website shows me quite a few corporate bonds and gilts that have a voucher rate (% return each year) of over 8 percent. Do bear in mind that a bond is a loan instrument where the ROI is based on both the maturity date (the date you get paid back plus interest) and the overall risk of the debt.

  3. Another good option is to invest in high dividend yield shares or ETFs. These can offer superior returns on investment to the interest you'd get from a savings account.

  4. Avoid day trading or swing trading unless you 100% absolutely know what the fuck you're doing. Unlike what many YouTube 'gurus' claim, making a living off the stock market requires a high amount of starting capital to see any kind of tangible ROI, plus sophisticated stock trading software and knowledge on how to exploit trends.

  5. Same goes for penny stocks (i.e. the FTSE AIM All Share market.) You can make some rookie gains from it. Many of the companies listed on this index are oil/gas/mineral exploratory firms that are likely not going to see any kind of profit unless they strike it big, find a new oil well, lithium mine, etc and get the necessary contracts and investment to extract those resources. They're penny stocks for a reason.

  6. Side hustles. For example, I have two friends that are karaoke DJs and they get gigs where bars pay them to host nights. Bookkeeping is another one, but you really are going to have a lot of competition in that respect, and you will probably need the right qualifications to do it.

  7. Screw crypto. At best cryptocurrencies are speculative assets that are scarce and expensive because the very nature of how their blockchains were designed make it take exponentially more effort to mine a new coin. At worst, they're used to launder criminal proceeds (Monero is a good example of one where the blockchain is encrypted.) NFTs are even worse.

Just store infinite money tokens in a magic Orb. Lol. That's quite easy

[โ€“] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 0 points 1 month ago

What do you mean fiat doesn't work on a finite planet? Current economic models certainly don't work on a finite planet, but fiat was here before them and will be here after they are long gone.

what is a good way for the working class (90%+ of all humans) to save and succeed in this current environment?

There isn't one. A big chunk of that class can do just fine and you probably already have good normative answers in that respect, but the current economic model is one that demands poverty. Even with all of the ridiculous developments in production we have, the available infrastructure even with the qualms we might have with it, and all the other things going for us that you might want to list, the closest that the current economic model has achieved to escaping its age-old need for having a sizeable portion of the able-bodied population unemployed is by slightly expanding that same portion and then having them sell themselves by the hour and minute in the Gig Economy. If you want that whole 90% of the population to all be able to do well, you need to change the system they are operating within.

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