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[–] Dressedlikeapenguin@lemmy.world 62 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I love being right, but it's better when others think so too, lol

[–] SuckMyWang@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago (3 children)

If you are right in the woods and no one is around to see it, were you really right?

[–] PseudoSpock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 year ago

Peacefully so.

[–] Asudox@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

"If you are right in the woods and no one is around to see it, were you really right?" is a philosophical thought experiment that raises questions regarding observation and perception.

Can we assume the unobserved world functions the same as the observed world? – e.g., "does observation affect outcome?"

A similar question does not involve whether or not an unobserved event occurs predictably, like it occurs when it is observed. The anthropic principle suggests that the observer, just in its existence, may impose on the reality observed.

However, most people, as well as scientists, assume that the observer doesn't change whether the tree-fall causes a sound or not, but this is an impossible claim to prove. However, many scientists would argue that a truly unobserved event is one which realises no effect (imparts no information) on any other (where 'other' might be e.g., human, sound-recorder or rock), it therefore can have no legacy in the present (or ongoing) wider physical universe. It may then be recognized that the unobserved event was absolutely identical to an event which did not occur at all. Of course, the fact that the tree is known to have changed state from 'upright' to 'fallen' implies that the event must be observed to ask the question at all – even if only by the supposed deaf onlooker. The British philosopher of science Roy Bhaskar, credited with developing critical realism has argued, in apparent reference to this riddle, that:

If men ceased to exist sound would continue to travel and heavy bodies to fall to the earth in exactly the same way, though ex hypothesi there would be no-one to know it

This existence of an unobserved real is integral to Bhaskar's ontology, which contends (in opposition to the various strains of positivism which have dominated both natural and social science in the twentieth century) that 'real structures exist independently of and are often out of phase with the actual patterns of events'. In social science, this has made his approach popular amongst contemporary Marxists — notably Alex Callinicos – who postulate the existence of real social forces and structures which might not always be observable.

For example: In quantum mechanics, Schrödinger's cat is a thought experiment that illustrates a paradox of quantum superposition. In the thought experiment, a hypothetical cat may be considered simultaneously both alive and dead, while it is unobserved in a closed box, as a result of its fate being linked to a random subatomic event that may or may not occur. This thought experiment was devised by physicist Erwin Schrödinger in 1935 in a discussion with Albert Einstein to illustrate what Schrödinger saw as the problems of the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics.

In Schrödinger's original formulation, a cat, a flask of poison, and a radioactive source are placed in a sealed box. If an internal monitor (e.g. a Geiger counter) detects radioactivity (i.e. a single atom decaying), the flask is shattered, releasing the poison, which kills the cat. The Copenhagen interpretation implies that, after a while, the cat is simultaneously alive and dead. Yet, when one looks in the box, one sees the cat either alive or dead, not both alive and dead. This poses the question of when exactly quantum superposition ends and reality resolves into one possibility or the other.

In conclusion: When there is noone to hear if you are right or not, your righteousness is not yet confirmed, thus you being in a superposition state where you are both right and wrong. Unless someone comes and hears your words, will then your righteousness be judged and stated.

[–] SuckMyWang@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree although this only deals with problems where the outcome is not predetermined and your judgement cannot be resolved until the solution is observed by another.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure ChatGPT wrote that

[–] SuckMyWang@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
[–] Dressedlikeapenguin@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

If chatgpt was running a sex robot, do you think it'd try some really awkward techniques? I mean porno moves that don't really happen in real life. How many genitals will be mutilated before we raise up against the machines?

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[–] Asudox@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
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[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I love being funny, but it feels best if just one person hated it.

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[–] Kuba@programming.dev 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Haphazard9479@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Kuba@programming.dev 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I understand that im wrong, but I'll double down

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

People care more about avoiding humiliation and emotional hurt than the truth, and it's the root cause of all of our problems.

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[–] MJRul3s@lemm.ee 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Oh yeah. Echo chamber my favorite.

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[–] solidsnake2085@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (7 children)

If you're blind, then why even wear clothes anymore.

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[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] SternburgExport@feddit.de 11 points 1 year ago

I agree with you

[–] KrupskayaPraxis@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 year ago

Especially when it's a controversial opinion

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't even care if they agree with me as long as they can form a constructive argument against me and not go into hysterics just because my opinion differs from theirs.

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[–] hark@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

On the other hand, I can be smug about getting a lot of downvotes from who I can assume are mindless fools.

[–] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

I like turning off vote counts to keep me more honest. It makes me vote honestly because I myself like something, not just because others happen to like it a lot.

[–] aquinteros@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I just did a presentation in my university about lemmy and the fediverse, people loved it!

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Honestly at this point I'm just glad I'm not getting autobanned because some moderator decided there was a way to interpret my words as advocating for genocide... God we need to get more of the Reddit Communities here so we can make that shitfest obsolete

[–] namelessdread@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Honestly I'm advocating for genocide...

gasp

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What kind of genocide we doin, fam?

[–] robocall@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I'mma about to genocide this tub of ice cream

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[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I sincerely hope people aren't using upvotes or downvotes as a metric for this.

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They don't call me an Emperor for nothing

[–] spudwart@spudwart.com 6 points 1 year ago

Correct opinion good, incorrect opinion bad.

[–] duxbellorum@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ah, but a short glance at my comment history will reveal that that is not how i like to enjoy Lemmy…

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[–] doctorcrimson 6 points 1 year ago

The debates are kind of lit, too, though.

[–] PseudoSpock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago

Would know what that is like... too many people are wrong all the time. :)

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

downvotes are just upvotes with a little penis

[–] DrSleepless@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago
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