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[–] flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz 90 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Btw for those initially confused like me, GTA stands for Greater Toronto Area.

Nobody expects bad traffic in the next Grand Theft Auto game just yet.

[–] iamjackflack@lemm.ee 7 points 3 weeks ago

Real hero of the thread

[–] BenVimes@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 weeks ago

I grew up in southern Ontario, and it took me an embarrassing amount of time to figure this out. I heard the acronym daily as my parents listened to CFRB, but it didn't click until I was almost 20.

[–] thisNotMyName@lemmy.world 46 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Just one more lane and it will be fixed, once and for all, pinky promise!

[–] AceBonobo@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I got a fever... and the only prescription is more ~~cowbell~~ lanes

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 weeks ago

the 90s called etc

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 35 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Fuck you peasants, believe or not, still no public transit.

Get into you wage wagon, drive to your wage cage and get back to cucking for daddy

[–] n2burns@lemmy.ca 24 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

TBF, Ontario (and most importantly, Toronto) are going through the biggest transit expansion in all of North America. For those unaware, I'll list some of the projects by transit agency:

  • TTC (Toronto local transit) has a new metro (the Ontario Line/eventually Line 3), and 2 new LRT/light-metro lines under construction
  • GO (region transit) is undergoing a huge expansion where they're increasing frequency and electrifying the lines, while also doing a bunch of smaller projects to decrease travel times and points of conflict
  • Mississauga/Brampton have the Hurontario LRT under construction (also owned by GO/Metrolinx, but local transit, so I separated it)
  • Hamilton's LRT is in planning
  • ION LRT in Waterloo is planning Stage 2

There are too many bike infrastructure projects to mention, and a lot of new urbanist developments.

At the same time, the provincial government also has a number of projects that are crazy car-centric, like Highway 413, so it's not all good.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

hopefully it works better than california and UK high speed rail lol

i have zero faith in any of the "countries" to deliver any public works projec on time, within budget and/or for it to actually work.

[–] n2burns@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 weeks ago

Pretty much all public works projects go over budget. Pretty much all private private projects also go over budget. However, people only complain about public transit projects going over budget. There are some legitimate reasons for this, like lack of institutional knowledge, but I think people hyper-fixate on public transit while roads "just have to be built, whatever the cost."

[–] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca -2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Love how you omitted Canada's capital and their rail system of complete failures and fuckups from your list.

[–] n2burns@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That's not a project in progress, so I didn't include it. It's also in a completely different region than the GTA, while all those projects are in the GTHA (except maybe Waterloo).

[–] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)
[–] n2burns@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

The original post was about GTA, so I talked about the GTA. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I didn't know they were extending the Confederation Line. As I said, it's a completely different region of the province, and I'm not as familiar with the national capital region. However, I know this statement

5 years ago, there was no rail system

is BS. The Trillium line is over 2 decades old.

[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 23 points 3 weeks ago

almost as if addressing the traffic by creating infrastructure instead of the need for traffic with mixed-use neighborhoods isn't the right approach

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

I mean that's why you boost a stunt plane and fly across the map.

Wait. Who's adding more traffic into GTA anyway?

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

High speed rail when? Transit prioity signals when? Alternatives to driving everywhere when?

[–] Latuga17@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

The 401 clearly isn't wide enough!

[–] kELAL@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Damn you Anthony Downs, John Thomson and your paradox

[–] Magister@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Make sense, great Montreal area is like this for rush hour, 20km/h

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

It kind of amazed my friends from Ontario when a whole line of people waiting at the ferry terminal made it onto a double decker bus (close to 100), which would have been 50 passenger cars!

Why haven't we explored frequent oribtal GO routes numbered 401, 427, QEW, DVP, with dedicated bus lanes to weave through traffic with ease (BC highway 99 is set up decently well with them)? Sneaky drivers could jump the queue with the priority lane in typical Toronto fashion, but bus drivers with cameras can charge every license plate they catch that's improperly in the lane. Make it a hefty fine or revoke their license on repeat offenses.