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[–] SovereignState@lemmygrad.ml 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

inc Venezuela lifting 14 million people out of poverty

For real though, I take this as a piece of evidence that the PRC is exporting revolution. It is simply not in the form many of us imagined it would be.

[–] Life2Space@lemmygrad.ml 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This is a paraphrase of a comment that I posted on Reddit some time ago:

China certainly exports ideology. For example, the notion of "mutually beneficial win-win cooperation" as opposed to the "zero-sum game". These types of ideals serve as the foundation for China-Global South (South-South) cooperation to industrialize and modernize former colonized and developing nations rather than simply exist as raw material exporters. This way, they can finally pry the grasp of the imperial core on their holdings and become an independent, sovereign power. You could consider that exporting "revolution" or "socialism".

I really never thought about it that way. I like it.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 1 year ago

PRC managed to boil the capitalist frog alive it seems.

[–] AlbigensianGhoul@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My main worry is how they'd react if one of their capitalist allies (like BRICS countries) had their own proper revolution including the whole "topple the current China-recongnised government with deals with China." I think it'd be within their economic and maybe geopolitical interests to be a bit wary of that, even if they have ideological solidarity with those revolutionaries. I wonder how something like that would turn out.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I wouldn't worry, marxist-leninist revolution would not cut their ties with China, and people who would (ultras) will never make any revolution except maybe gastric one. Real danger is only in the usual colour coup.

[–] AlbigensianGhoul@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 year ago

Yeah, the worry is not so much of the revolution itself disavowing relations with China, but China getting in a strange geopolitical spot between their previously recognised government, the new government, and also Juan Guaido, specially if it comes to a split country situation.

I'm not aware of them taking a strong stance on foreign matters like these over the past 30 years or so, but imagine if India randomly has a revolution and gets split in half. It'd be a bit of a catch 22 for them, but I doubt their foreign policy specialists haven't already thought about this.

[–] sovietsnake@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A very nitpicky thing I would like to add is that where the article mentions that Venezuela’s minimum salary currently stands at 130 bolívares (around US$5) is technically true, it's simply some bureaucratic and economic lie, the actual minimum salary is higher than that and close to something like 150/250USD.

[–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But that means media lied, which is impossible I daresay

[–] sovietsnake@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 1 year ago

It's not a lie, though, the official minimum salary in Venezuela is 5USD, but they keep it low so they don't have to raise thing that retirement and other kind of shit, which would trigger an increase in a lot of other areas, but no one lives with that. It's just something you don't know unless you live in Venezuela I guess.