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Islamic State: Germany and Europe are once again a target (www.dw.com)

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The attack in Solingen is just the latest example of a new wave of violence linked to the Islamic State terrorist group. Experts say the war in the Middle East is the main catalyst.

The terrorist militia Islamic State (IS) has claimed responsibility for the knife attack in Solingen. According to Amak, the mouthpiece of IS, the attack was carried out in "revenge for Muslims in Palestine and elsewhere" and targeted a "group of Christians."

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[–] DMBFFF@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

Islamic State has probably murdered over 20 000 innocent Arabs civilians.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 8 points 3 months ago

Ah, because of Palestine. It's just an excuse, but supporting Israel in their genocide really isn't a good look either way.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

They stopped being a target at some point?

[–] tilefan@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I know we made a big show about leaving afghanistan, but I haven't heard about Iraq in ages. are we still fighting over there?

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 1 points 3 months ago

The US still has a small presence there, but largely no.

[–] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Do they know Germany is part of Europe? It's like saying "both the shirt and the clothes I'm wearing". One is part of the other, so just saying "Europe" covers it all.

[–] Yareckt@lemmynsfw.com 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Keep in mind that DW is the german propaganda paper.

[–] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Is it? Source?

I found this on mediabiasfactcheck.

Overall, we rate Deutsche Welle (DW) Left-Center biased based on editorial positions that slightly favor the left. We also rate them High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a clean fact check record.

[–] Yareckt@lemmynsfw.com 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Just my personal opinion based in how they report on different topics compared to other German news outlets. They often have a very nationalistic view on topics compared to other German news. They also often use populist headlines. Not as often as BILD but compared to reputable sources like tagesschau it is very obvious. It's notable that they want to put a pro german spin on stories.

[–] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's propaganda. Yet you label it as such, which is spreading false information. Next time, please label your opinion as your opinion, not as factual when you cannot support your opinion with factual proof.

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[+] mods_mum -37 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Common population is getting increasingly worried about negative effects of mass immigration. They are ridiculed, called racists, silenced and also arrested for speaking up. They are held hostage by their own government.

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable as JFK said.

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 25 points 3 months ago (1 children)

As an immigrant in Germany, people who don’t support immigrants are not cowed by their government, don’t worry. They love to tell me about it. Maybe if you were an immigrant for a day, you would see things differently as well.

[+] mods_mum -17 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I am an immigrant, I left my home country over ten years ago
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/06/28/german-woman-given-harsher-sentence-than-rapist-for-calling/ The cope is strong

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Well, Herr Sellner, perhaps your perspective is slanted. Somehow people still make their opinions heard.

[+] mods_mum -14 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Maybe you should get out some time

Let's focus on data primarily available from Germany’s Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA) and other official sources.

Homicides and Attempted Homicides by Immigrants

2016: According to BKA data, immigrants were suspects in 285 cases of homicide or attempted homicide. This was during a peak year for refugee arrivals. 2017: Immigrants were suspects in 298 cases of homicide or attempted homicide. 2018: The number dropped to 230 cases. 2019: There were 256 cases where immigrants were suspects. 2020: The number was approximately 220 cases.
Sexual Offenses

2016: Immigrants were suspects in approximately 3,400 cases of sexual offenses. 2017: This number increased to around 3,600 cases. 2018: The number remained relatively stable, with about 3,400 cases reported. 2019: There were 3,500 cases. 2020: Around 3,000 cases involved immigrant suspects.

[–] Allero 13 points 3 months ago

I'mma be honest, I didn't dig statistics for Germany, but I live in Russia where the same migrant hysteria is rampant rn, and saw some numbers from there.

On average, immigrants in Russia commit less crimes per person than native population. The areas in which there are objectively more crimes are migration laws (obviously) and sexual offences. Numbers in other categories are higher by native Russians. And mind you, our migrants come from underdeveloped primarily Muslim countries, too.

With that said, do you have data on the share of crimes committed by native German population and immigrants? Pure numbers mean little without context.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Cites sources, doesn't link them.

Also, does being a suspect mean they are guilty? All somebody has to do is scream rape, point and a non-white, and they are guilty of rape?

[–] einkorn@feddit.org 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I am not sure what you are trying to tell with these numbers except to stir some hatred.

To make any sort of sense from these numbers, you have a) to define what an immigrant is (hint, the BKA definition is very loose) and b) compare them to the overall cases of the listed offenses.

[+] cheese_greater@lemmy.world -9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

make any sense of these numbers

A. Immigrants were responsible for some murders and rapes and other crimes

B. They had to be present in the country to commit these proximal acts

C. Had they not been present, the murders, rapes, and other crimes perpetrated would not have been committed by them in the country

D. There would have been less crime and the immigration system would not have caused harm to the actual domestic population.

The crime rates of citizens vs immigrants is informative in terms of helping determine policy adjustments in terms of country of origin and specific cultural concerns but it doesn't change the fact that the immigration system is doing harm to the domestic population which it should rightfully otherwise protect and benefit and be sustainable in the service of all it does.

Nobody owes a violent, unstable refugee or criminal migrant (legal/economic, illegal etc) a fox in the henhouse situation. Doesn't matter what they've been thru, it seems like there's not even an in the alternative where they are mitigated and supervised until they can demonstrate they belong or removed before they can take root by causing harm.

Edit: by the way this can actually lead to citizens committing crimes of desperation because they can't find housing or employment or any other necessary. We don't have infinite resources but there is infinite profit potential for those encouraging this mandate.

Housing profits/crisis 🚀 Lower wages/wage growth suppression 🚀 Private healthcare system 🚀

[–] einkorn@feddit.org 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So you want to assign every immigrant a babysitter till they have been evaluated to be no risk?

While we are at it, might just as well give EVERYONE a government sponsored supervisor to be sure, because I've heard even some of those people already here rape, murder or commit other crimes. All in the name of the security of our state. I guess we should form some sort of ministry to supervise this effort. I guess Ministry for State Security might be fitting.

Do you even realize how contemptuous your idea is? I don't know anything about you, but I guess to be sure you won't kill me should you ever visit my city/county/state/planet, I will put you in a cage and point a camera at you.

I hope you keep your idea in mind should you plan to take your next vacation anywhere but your own apartment.

[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world -4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Would you allow any random person who showed up at your doorstep a live-in gig as a nanny without doing some due dilligence? What does high-trust/low-trust mean to you?

[–] einkorn@feddit.org 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Hell no, and I don't care if that person is black, white, blue, has an American, French or Iraqi passport.

But you are trying to build a strawman here, because babysitting is not the same as granting people shelter from hardships.

And to loop back to your previous statements regarding the number of crimes committed by immigrants: Am I statistically more likely to get murdered by an immigrant or by a fellow country man? You might have to reconsider your approach towards high/low threat environments in your everyday life.

[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world -4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Does the aspiration of granting refuge to people facing hardship take precedence over the actual moral and societal imperative to ensure the safety for those you are already responsible for?

There are many people who are facing hardship who we refuse to shelter already and they were always here. And by taking in more people from the outside while refusing existing inside hardship-facers shelter and safety, what is this really accomplishing?

Is that right or fair or even practical?

[–] einkorn@feddit.org 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I guess I might as well argue with a stone instead of an American about universal moral values but here goes nothing:

Wait, did I just judge a person by their membership of a group they got randomly assigned at birth which says nothing about their character?

Anyways...

The suffering of one person is not justification to inflict the same on others. Secondly why are you refusing to help people through hardship in the first place.

Let me ask you in return: Why are neither deserving of your help?

[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world -3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I believe very strongly that the group we are responsible for already should be helped and stabillized before we consider newcomers. I must also point out that mass immigration without regard to the provision of necessaries like plentiful affordable housing, healthcare, good jobs and wage increases, and other finite public resources actually hurts everyone in ways that are profound and difficult to reverse.

There never should have been "we're taking in however many hundred thousand of any demographic (students, asylum seekers, economic immigrants, etc)" unless

we have a place for each of those folks
they are not driving prices up with their presence to the point average citizens can't even afford or find an things like an apartment or a job with a living wage for themselves.
institutions driving this like post-secondary schools and corporations wanting cheap exploitable labor are responsible for housing each and every student or foreign worker they endeavor to host

[–] Iapar@feddit.org 6 points 3 months ago

Those numbers mean nothing when there is no number to compare it to.

So what are the numbers for Germans?

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Immigrants are over 15% of the population, of course they commit crimes. 8% of rapes are reported, wanna bet whether they’re more frequently reported when they’re committed by immigrants?

[–] DMBFFF@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Apparently the disgraceful rapist pig was a minor when he did it, and she was jailed for a weekend.

[–] mods_mum -4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Are you defending a rapist because he was young? Seriously?

[–] DMBFFF@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Judge jails 1 of 9 men in Germany gang rape of teen girl

https://torontosun.com/news/world/judge-jails-1-of-9-men-in-germany-gang-rape-of-teen-girl

The others convicted of rape — filmed twice during separate assaults — received suspended sentences of one to two years. Four were identified as German, while the others have Armenian, Afghan, Kuwaiti and Montenegrin citizenship, reports said.

...

A 10th defendant was found not guilty, while another accused who faced charges for aiding and abetting and filming the rape, was acquitted in April.

The judge’s sentences are not considered the final ruling.

Due to the ages of the defendants at the time — between 17 and 21 — the trial was conducted by the youth chamber of Hamburg’s court. Sentencing is determined by each defendant’s educational needs, according to German criminal law.

According to prosecutors, the girl attended a party on the festival grounds of the park on Sept. 19, 2020. While drunk, the teen was led by four men to a bushy area and abused.

a lot of drunk women were/are raped by nominally Christian native-born.

The judge called the proceedings “a mammoth circumstantial trial in which it was not clear for a long time what had happened on the night of September 19th to 20th, 2020,” according to a translation of a report by Germany’s Spiegel.

...

Some called for the judge to be a rape victim herself, while the criticisms were “marked by an anti-immigrant undertone,” the group added.

and this was almost 4 years ago and occurred in a country of 82 million.

[–] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

You should check your sources.

I found this on your source:

Overall, we rate The Telegraph Right Biased based on story selection that strongly favors the right and Mixed for factual reporting due to poor sourcing of information and some failed fact checks.

Bias Rating: RIGHT Factual Reporting: MIXED Country: United Kingdom MBFC’s Country Freedom Rank: MOSTLY FREE Media Type: Newspaper Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic MBFC Credibility Rating: MEDIUM CREDIBILITY

[–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

What a weird thing to say.

Edit: lol, 1 day old account

[+] mods_mum -19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What a bizarre take. What does the age of the account has to do with anything?

[–] Allero 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's a common indicator of people making throwaway accounts for the sake of trolling without backlash.

Sometimes genuine accounts may have strong takes, but that's more rare. And the nickname "mods_mum" doesn't make it any more believable.

[+] mods_mum -21 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I ran out of my chat gpt credit but before I did I managed to get a summary of normalized crime statistics for 2005, 2006 and 2007. Once I can query more I'll add data from later years

Here's my ChatGPT query:

https://chatgpt.com/share/337e3463-e232-4bd7-bf08-1d8ed7997740

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Oh no... people are starting to trust "AI" to provide them accurate information without verifying it.

"But but but, ChatGPT said it, so it must be right!"

[+] mods_mum -14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

ChatGPT doesn't make up data out of thin air. All crime statistics used are from the BKA. Here's the rest of stats normalized by the population size

[–] Allero 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Numbers don't even seem to add up, or something strongly changed between 2007 and 2010.

Also, you're either a troll or a very incompetent researcher. You should absolutely never ever rely on LLMs to serve you any factual data. LLMs are highly prone to hallucinations.

Here's an actual paper on the issue: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0167268123001713

Generally, the migrant crime rate increased in 2008-2014, but then decreased throughout 2015-2019. In total, the change averages to about zero.

As per reasoning, two primary forces are demonstrated: on one hand, poorer material conditions, and on the other, the fear of being deported. In 2015-2019, during refugee crisis, being sent back could mean essential death sentence, which shifted the balance. All of this is to say that we should improve material conditions for migrants if we want the crime rates among them to drop further. Instead, it is currently done under threats of deportation.

The only thing left unanswered for me is sexual violence. But in Germany, the difference between natives and locals is not as big as to justify mass measures against an entirety of migrant population.

[+] mods_mum -9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Uk, then just read this. It's straight from BKA

https://www.bka.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Publikationen/JahresberichteUndLagebilder/KriminalitaetImKontextVonZuwanderung/KriminalitaetImKontextVonZuwanderung_2022.html?nn=62336

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 13 points 3 months ago

Maybe you should've read it too...

First page:

7.4% of all registered suspects were immigrants (2021: 7.1%)

4.9% of all registered victims were immigrants (2021: 5.2%)

The number of refugees had also barely risen between 2016 (1.5M at end of refugee "crisis") and 2021 (1.7M), but jumped to 2.8M with 1M coming from Ukraine.

Additionally, the document isn't good as it keeps mixing up "immigrants" and "refugees", so you never know if it's talking about some dude from Spain or a dude from Syria.

Page 38: (can't link to image for some reason with fedia)

I'm also guessing TVZ means something like immigrant or refugee or something?

Solved crime cases against life (murder?)

| year | total | including at least on TVZ | | 2018 | 3007 | 430 (14,3%) | | 2019 | 2751 | 357 (13,0%) | | 2020 | 2947 | 370 (12,6%) | | 2021 | 2635 | 366 (13,9%) | | 2022 | 2732 | 332 (12,2%) |

The number of crimes (and those committed by "TVZ") is dropping despite the number of immigrants/refugees increasing.

Dude, stop using ChatGPT and actually a document by yourself once in a while.