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[–] ch00f@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Not a Tesla apologist, but this article kind of contradicts itself.

They argue that Tesla is lying about vehicle range, but then saying that Tesla is guilty of normalizing building vehicles with oversized batteries which customers don't need (because they only drive 40 miles a day) which is putting a strain on the battery supply chain.

Wouldn't Tesla lying about range be them minimizing their impact on the battery supply chain?

And the rest of the article goes on to complain about the battery arms race which I agree with (anybody who can charge at home doesn't need more than 100 mile range for their second vehicle), but that's hardly Tesla's fault. On every thread discussing EVs for the past 10 years, there's always some petrolhead complaining that EVs aren't able to easily complete the 15 hour, 900 mile, road trip they apparently drive every week. The market wanted a replacement for gas cars, Tesla did what they could to meet that demand.

Also, the articles linked about Tesla lying about range mostly discuss how all EVs fall short of EPA range when tested by Car and Driver. That suggests the blame lies with EPA testing, and Car and Driver even has a suggestions on what to change about the EPA's methodology.

[–] Odusei@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Wouldn’t Tesla lying about range bee then minimizing their impact on the battery supply chain?

Not at all, they’re still stuffing their cars with lots of big batteries, and then lying about the range those batteries give.

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[–] schmorpel@slrpnk.net 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

, and supply chains aren’t scaling anywhere near fast enough to put a 300-mile range EV in every driveway in time to slow climate change.

And if they were scaling we would just accelerate climate change even more. New cars don't slow climate change. Repair your old one, or take the bus, or use a bike.

[–] Mojojojo1993@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Should really be converting all cars to ev. Then when they all break move to lighter and better suited evs

[–] schmorpel@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So, pile a pile of trash on top of a pile of trash on top of a pile of trash? Yup, that's gonna save lots of resources and energy.

[–] Mojojojo1993@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

What are you trying to say ? Can you say it with more words ?

[–] Hypx@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@stopthatgirl7 Perhaps it’s time that people accepted that Toyota was right: We want a diversity of electrified vehicles. Hybrids, plug-in hybrids and fuel cell cars all have their role to play right now. It should not be a monoculture of BEVs.

[–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (60 children)

No one is stopping any country or company from producing fuel cell cars. If Toyota is right, where are the fuel cell corollas?

I am not knocking fuel cell vehicles, I wish they were viable but after 20 years of R&D they still haven't solved the H2 storage problems, and it is starting to look like it will never be practical for a vehicle the form factor of a car.

[–] MJBrune@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They started selling fuel-cell cars last year. Both Toyota and Hyundai sell hydrogen-powered cars. https://www.hyundaiusa.com/us/en/vehicles/nexo and https://www.toyota.com/mirai/ So they do exist. They are actively on the road. You may purchase one at your convenience.

[–] YMS@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Last year? The Mirai went on sale in 2014, the Nexo in 2018. Just nobody buys them because there are no fueling stations, and there shouldn't be any for their horrible inefficiency anyway.

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[–] yip-bonk@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Slate froze the screen because I use an ad blocker. Oh well. Buh bye slate.

[–] garrettw87@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m definitely no battery engineer, so correct me if I’m wrong, but… wouldn’t a 100-mile-range battery pack have a shorter life span than a 200-mile pack under the same usage since its charge/discharge cycles would be deeper in terms of %, and possibly more frequent because of the reduced range?

[–] tokyorock@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes, this is kind of true. But how you use the battery is also important. If you frequently DC fast charge your pack, it will wear out significantly faster than using Level 1 (120V AC) or Level 2 (240V AC) charging. This is because DCFC pushes the boundaries of how much current the battery can safely take in order to reduce the amount of time it takes to charge the car. It's a balancing act between customer acceptability and limiting battery degradation.

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