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After playing World of Warcraft for 15 years, I started becoming increasingly bored and disgruntled with the game. The game being grindy and repetitive is no real surprise, I mean it's an MMO. But the one thing that was really frustrating was paying monthly for a subscription and a huge chunk of cash for an expansion, but still having extra stuff flashed in my face all the time that was simply not possible to earn in-game. Mount skins, cosmetics, miscellaneous stuff that is only available in the Blizzard store. They also began adding loyalty items that require being subscribed every single month, and doing repetitive, extremely boring stuff on top of the other repetitive boring stuff, so basically double dipping on your grind, which really isn't fun.

Aside from that, I also played other games that required a heavy amount of grinding too, and each one of them had similarly frustrating elements. Destiny 2, overwatch, Battlefield, Fortnite, Halo, and the list goes on. Each of them has the same issue: fear of missing out. FOMO basically makes it so that if you don't seize the opportunity to spend real life money, you will never be able to obtain something really cool, because it's only there for a short time, and then it's gone, and you are made to feel guilty and bad about it. It's just kind of depressing playing kind of games and realizing that you are now mentally dependent on financial transactions in order to get the full enjoyment of the game. That to me is a very very awful way to live life, and it really messes with your emotions

So I ditched every game that had any element of an in-game purchase. This is honestly helped my mental health a huge, huge amount. Now, I only play games that either have no microtransactions in them at all, or are completely free and 100% possible to play with no purchase required at all. So games like team fortress, deadlocked, Stardew Valley, and many other indie games that you can purchase and then never have to worry about getting suckered into the microtransaction cycle for

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[–] rimjob_rainer@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Welcome to capitalism. Big gaming companies do not care about games anymore, they care about how to maximise profits. Their games are manipulative and developed together with psychologists solely to get your hard earned money at any opportunity. They got so good at it, that they are able to release pieces of software which are looking like games but actually are milking machines and no games at all.

You just have to take a step back and you will be able to easily differentiate between products of corporate greed and games.

Games once were supposed to be entertaining and even art. And there are still some, mostly indies.

[–] WhatYouNeed@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

We'll take cash, we'll take checks,

We'll take credit cards, we'll take jewelry,

We'll take your momma's dentures if they got gold in them!

[–] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't think its so much the microtransactions as it is games with a highly competitive spirit. PvP games in particular. I don't find myself having any negative feelings after playing a game like Zenless Zone Zero or Goddess of Victory NIKKE, but after about two matches of Dead by Daylight, a game with a notoriously toxic playerbase, I definitely feel worse than before I play, particularly if the matches do not go well for me.

Im the kind of player that doesn't spend money unless I feel like something provides me value. Ive played ZZZ since release and haven't spent a single cent, and NIKKE since its release and only spent $25 total. I have enough self-control to handle those games and can spot bad value in games like gacha games pretty fast. So for me it isn't really about microtransactions, its definitely about competition with other players, and interactions with them. Playing a game of DBD, winning, and then having everyone (usually TTV streamers) call you names in chat or on their stream and report/mercilessly harrass you ( for winning in a video game, mind you) is a completly different level of toxic that I doubt many would be able to properly handle long term.

Its why I pretty much never recommend DBD to people.

[–] Buttflapper@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't find myself having any negative feelings after playing a game like Zenless Zone Zero

I agree with the rest of what you said but this part is crazy. Gacha games are so heavily monetized it's wild. I played zenless as well up until a few weeks ago, that game is such a trash can. I used every single currency that I had earned in the entire game and couldn't get The character I wanted. Some people spend as much as $2,000 on the game just trying to get a single character. That kind of gambling is even worse than what I'm talking about

[–] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well the issue is that some people confuse a want for a need.

Wanting characters is great but the problem comes from being disappointed that you didn't get what you want as fast as you thought you should. The true method of playing a gacha game is like running a marathon, its not a race and you take it slow. Play in your free time, down time, whatever. I don't play those games as my main game, just as a side game. Sometimes I miss a day for the login or a special event or even a character that I really wanted but at the end of the day, its just a video game and I am not going to die without that thing or character I wanted. If I get it, its simply a bonus to the joy I get from playing the game already. I don't play a game long if I don't have fun with it at least more than when I don't.

Some people don't have self control, and I am not saying that the games are not monetized in a predatory way. But I view it no different from actual gachapon: capsule toys. You know, like a gumball machine, but the little plastic ball that has a random small toy or stickers inside. You pay, turn the knob, and you always win something, you just don't know what. To me, I dont consider that the same as gambling like with a slot machine. That's just my opinion, and I sure I am in the minority with that, and with my overall attitude towards gacha games in general.

[–] Buttflapper@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Any lottery style game (let's be honest, Gacha = Lottery) is psychologically harmful in my opinion because it trains you to gamble, there's no other way around it. These games purposefully condition you to spend currency that you've earned, lose majorly, and then get rushes of dopamine when you finally win. They are designed to keep you wanting more. If you think I'm making this up, then read Got ya!: The Psychology of Gacha Addiction

Gacha games have mastered the art of making us eagerly anticipate each draw, activating our brain’s reward system and flooding us with dopamine — the pleasure neurotransmitter. It’s the chemical cocktail that keeps us engaged, excited, and coming back for more. Next on the list is the ‘just one more try’ mentality

There's nothing remotely healthy about this at all, which runs completely contrary to what my personal goals are

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[–] FoxFairline@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If you want to scratch a similar itch, and have not already, try Guild Wars 2.

It does have microtransactions, but only because they have no subscription fee and they are mostly cosmetic with a few rare exceptions.

It also has no FOMO except cosmetics from certain festivals, which you can also buy in the next year.

It is still the best MMO on the market IMHO, because it values your time and money compared to other games in the genre.

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[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I dropped them all like 8 years ago. Not even the microtransaction parts for me since I never played any pay to win games and not big on caring about skins or hats. It was that any game time I had, felt like I had to play league of Legends, or I'd fall behind.

So I dropped it and have happily gone back to pretty much exclusively single player games. It's nice.

[–] DeadUncle@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, same for me. I like Apex. It is an Insanely fun game. But I'm the kind of guy who plays something for a bit and then something else before I may or may not come back. Apex being live service makes it that I don't want to come back because many of the things I know about the game are no longer true. So I'm not installing it again

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[–] WhyFlip@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

No shit. Micro transactions have completely turned me off from gaming, starting with TF2.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago

"Valve is the savior of gaming" as they invented micro transactions and neglect as many IPs as EA and Ubisoft do, but its okay since they have so many fun sales to tie to your account.

Valve is cool some of the time, TF2 is my most played game, but the moment GabeN keels over, is the moment a lot of people are going to notice that "owning" all your games on a digital storefront was a bad idea, like when Playstation and Microsoft remove games people bought with their hard earned money.

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 week ago (4 children)

0 A.D is an free open source age of strategy kind of game. Add it to your collection.

[–] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

Just randomly browsing Lemmy and I get a whole ass game to check out for free.

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[–] JoYo@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 week ago

i just started playing on Ascension wow private server.

their take on classless is so nice.

Team Fortress, I'm assuming you mean TF2, was one of the very first games to have microtransactions. They aren't required for play but they're definitely there.

I left mmos due to my wife spending to much on "free" games for awhile. I miss them in some ways but also am sorta glad. They were easy to over indulge in and I have a lot of responsibilities. single player, buy once and done, games along with streaming shows or movies is so much easier to take or leave. No limited events or dailies or anything.

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

I’m able to keep these games around because I’m pretty good at ignoring FOMO and microtransactions. I don’t need everything. One fun skin that I like when I’ve already enjoyed the game more than I’ve paid? I’ll consider it. But I don’t need everything from events - sometimes they’re just a good reason to play it together with friends at that time, like when the carnival is in town.

Still, there’s enough games out there that no one really needs to consider those types of baited experiences, especially if you know you’re susceptible.

[–] visor841@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Yeah I agree with you here. A lot of Trackmania players are annoyed by Trackmania's $20 a year subscription and have called to make it F2P with cosmetic microtransactions, but I'm pretty happy that hasn't happened. There isn't even any DLC. It is really nice to see not have to see ads to pay more money for stuff.

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