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Why was a defederation request post locked deleted and the poster banned? (lemmy.world)

submitted 9 months ago by toasteecup@lemmy.world to c/support@lemmy.world

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There was a very recent post requesting a defederation with lemmygrad.ml.

The post was requesting it due to a large amount of anti Israeli posts and celebrations of the deaths of Israeli citizens both military and civilian.

I've checked the modlog in hopes of understanding why those actions were taken, but no note was left. I'd like to ask why those actions were taken. Thanks!

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[–] popcap200@lemmy.ml 48 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I for one am in favor. I strongly dislike them and the hexbears. They talk all kinds of shit about being open to arguing and dunking on libs, they'll brigade other instances and communities, but ban you for having a different opinion in their instance. It's wild.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yup. Got banned for telling an admin to stop throating putin's cock. Admittedly fairly charged language, but fucking accurate.

Fun fact they immediately whatabout'd the US working with nazis. Like, shit fam we can both agree that's bad, why the fuck do you only have a problem when I criticize you for licking authoritarian boots?

[–] popcap200@lemmy.ml 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

For real. Meanwhile they always seem to forget the thousands of Nazi scientists hired by the USSR after WW2. What coincidence 🤪

Edit:

I got banned from hexbear for saying something like it's "based that for free Biden's admin got the IMF to loan Pakistan money at the cost of sending weapons to Ukraine to fight our enemies for free."

I got banned from Lemmygrad for pointing out that China is a fasco-capitalst state that manipulates its currency to keep the party members rich and factory workers poor, which doesn't feel very socialist to me.

[–] toasteecup@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

I wish getting banned by them would lead to me not seeing their posts, I'd run a ban% speed run in a heartbeat if it did.

[–] amio@kbin.social 14 points 9 months ago

Almost like a big bunch of trolls who were never interested in discussing shit.

Proper instance blocking needs to show up. Like... yesterday would be good.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 16 points 9 months ago (3 children)

The situation in the Middle East is very nuanced people with serious legitimate grievances on every side. Getting multiple view points we disagree with is healthy.

This issue is very emotional for a lot of people. As a community we're going to have to give some leeway to people reacting emotionally, before we de-federate.

[–] toasteecup@lemmy.world 32 points 9 months ago (2 children)

You're absolutely correct, the thing I take issue with is no matter how nuanced the issue is, they are members of lemmygrad.ml cheering for the deaths of innocent civilians.

No matter what the situation is, that's really not ok and that's why the user was making the ask.

[+] jet@hackertalks.com -17 points 9 months ago (2 children)

As long as they were saying it on communities on their instance, I don't think that should be grounds for defederation.

When people participate in communities hosted on other instances, and misbehave, that should be grounds for de-federation.

We're not going to solve world peace here on Lemmy. But we can at least try to understand each other

[–] Hanabie@sh.itjust.works 20 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If they say it on their instance and you can see it on yours, they're not saying it "on their instance", unless we get an option to block whole instances.

[–] davidgro@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

FYI, users are going to get the option to block whole instances in the next version of Lemmy coming out in a few weeks.

[–] toasteecup@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

I can't agree with your stance.

I have no tolerance for bigotry, racism, trans hate or any other kind of xenophobic bullshit. If someone wants to hate someone who has done nothing to them, I would love for that person to get fucked.

Too much hate in the world and tolerance of it does nothing to solve the problem.

[–] popcap200@lemmy.ml 16 points 9 months ago

I just dislike that their collective emotional reaction always seems perfectly calculated to be to the benefit of the CCP or Russia, no matter the topic.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

They're. Tankies.

This isn't the only issue they have genuinely brain damage level takes on.

[+] clueless_stoner@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

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[–] toasteecup@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

Thank you for the information that more than satisfies my curiosity. You take care as well!

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Won't the 0.19 changes just allow you to block instances from appearing in your feed? Won't you still have to interact with the users?

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world -2 points 9 months ago

We are discussing the request for defederation, but the consensus is that this may not be needed, since the 0.19 Lemmy update is expected to roll out in the upcoming weeks. This update will also enable users to block whole instances, and hopefully, address a big chunk of the issue we seem to be having here.

That doesn't address the broader issue of cultivating an instance culture that tolerates people **celebrating **the literal rape and murder of civilians. Instance defederations aren't just so that individuals don't have to deal with other individuals - they're to prevent the cultivation of a common culture that the defederating instance regards as unacceptable. Like Hexbear trolling. In this case, it is Lemmygrad.ml's celebration of the rape and murder of civilians.

Like, I can't emphasize this enough. I'm anti-Israel enough that I regularly get accused of antisemitism. I think Israel is an apartheid regime flirting with fascism and turning Gaza into an open air prison that's just short of genocide (may not be short of genocide much longer). This is not an issue of "Palestine vs. Israel - normal politics!", it's an issue of the celebration of horrific atrocities and what tolerating that in the instance entails. Just like with Hexbear, the answer isn't "Block the instance" (when the instance block is released). This is an issue of communities.

Mull on the decision, sure, but "Individuals can block" isn't really addressing what's core here.

[–] Madrigal@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Don’t know, but it did come across as a very one sided perspective.

[–] toasteecup@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It definitely did, but it didn't seem all that different from similar requests in the past. My experience has been that people will typically either agree or disagree and lay out reasons why.

[–] PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The OP was saying some really shitty things about people and wishing for the deaths and how they're not human and shit. I agree with them taking it down.

[–] toasteecup@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Nah homie, OP was quoting the things being said by the lemmygrad.ml users with links to the quotes. I'm honestly wondering if the mods may have misread it as you had.

[–] PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That's not true. Someone said that they're not going to listen to someone saying shitty things and they double-downed.

[–] toasteecup@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I don't remember seeing that.

What I do remember seeing was quoted statements with links at the end of the quote to the exact comment.

I've already seen one person mistake the quotes for actual statements from the user, could it be this was the situation?:

Op made post with the quotes. Commentor A read the post and mistook the quotes for statements Commentor A response as a normal person would "hey stop saying shitty things" Op responds with more negative quoted statements

It feels weird but I've seen people be obstinate for no good reason on Lemmy before.

Lemme know what you think since I missed that comment thread.

Also, looks like the ban was updated to a 24 hour ban with a message "stop the hate speech" which I feel adds weight to my recollection of the situation and theory that OP's post was misread.

Update: misread or not, OP is doing a lot of what looks like ban evasion. Even going as far as creating accounts on other instances.

[–] PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

I'm not going to repeat what OP said, but they were definitely saying really shitty things. They weren't repeating what others have said, they were saying it themselves. I'm 100% positive of it and I didn't read it wrong. I double checked because what they were claiming was true seemed reasonable to check out, but then they came back in the comments saying that they should die, etc.