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Ukrainian president calls on countries to step in before troops sent to Russia by Pyongyang reach battlefield

Ukraine’s president urged allies to stop “watching” and take steps before North Korean troops deployed in Russia reach the battlefield, while the army chief said his troops were facing “one of the most powerful offensives” by Moscow since the full-scale war began.

Volodymyr Zelenskyy raised the prospect of a pre-emptive Ukrainian strike on camps where the North Korean troops are being trained and said Kyiv knows their location. But he said Ukraine can’t do it without permission from allies to use western-made long-range weapons to hit targets deep inside Russia.

“But instead … America is watching, Britain is watching, Germany is watching. Everyone is just waiting for the North Korean military to start attacking Ukrainians as well,” Zelenskyy said in a post late on Friday on the Telegram messaging app.

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[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 31 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

It is highly unlikely North Korea will cross the Ukrainian border. Putin can let them do defense while Russians do the offense. As we have learned in the middle east, defending and enabling war criminals does not equate being complicit in their war. Don't ask me how that works.

[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 43 points 2 weeks ago (27 children)

So having western troops in Ukraine should also be fine if they stop at the russian border right?

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[–] _bcron_@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

If the sentiment is that they won't you'd better just sucker punch them. I mean, the whole world wasn't expecting Russia to invade, especially at the time they decided. If they're in Russia they're fair game imo. It's war, don't offer concessions, if you can kill them in their sleep you just do it and you're glad it wasn't you first. Nightly drones now, or air raid sirens all night later, such is life

[–] Syntha@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago

The US warned repeatedly that Russia was going to invade.

[–] MonkeMischief 1 points 2 weeks ago

I'm pretty sure they also thought he'd get spanked relatively quickly, and backpeddle within like a year after he lost enough war criminals and starving peasants who participated in his "special military operation".

And it's still going.

We really would be foolish at this point to make any more "It's unlikely that..." assertions at this point... It's all out crazy town now.

[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

They already have, with the enormous amount of weapons and ammunition they’ve been supplying to Russia. And they’re about to cross it again because North Korean soldiers are going to fight for Russia.

[–] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

When's the last time nk boots landed somewhere to fight.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 17 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_North_Korea

The Ugandan Bush War, a few hundred personnel were involved apparently.

[–] CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)
[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Huh. That literally just happened, because I was reading it before I posted the comment.

[–] P1nkman@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Someone saw your comment and went in to delete it. You know how it is throughout history: the good guys always wins (according to history books).

[–] Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The new page has a clear section for north korea, and lists wars newer than the ugandan bush war for it.
To me it seems more like someone noticed the original page was severely behind and decided to therefore merge it into the korea article, since apparently noone was maintaining it otherwise.

[–] P1nkman@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Makes total sense.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Says the page has been deleted.

[–] SoJB@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

? I was told right here on Lemmy that the NK soldiers are functionally useless, tactically inept, slowing down the Russian troops, have never seen anything with a transistor before, and are supplying shells with 80% misfire rates?

[–] LiamMayfair@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It could be true, I guess. It could be Western propaganda too. It doesn't take much to reason a country as underdeveloped and isolated as NK lacks an effective military.

However, maybe they don't need to be particularly good to further Russia's interests. NK army may be good enough as cannon fodder or purely for defence purposes, as border guards or patrols.

[–] andallthat@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Russia and Ukraine are two countries that have thrown everything they had at each other: from good soldiers, to inmates, to good people who'd probably never held a weapon before.

At this point I imagine that having troops who are alive and actual trained soldiers, not emotionally and physically drained (if not outright mutilated) by years of fighting is a big advantage

If I was taken from my home and suddenly sent to fight for my country, no matter how full of patriotic love I might be, one North Korean child with a knife would be enough to take me out.

[–] nucleative@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

You were told this?

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

? I was told right here on Lemmy that the NK soldiers are functionally useless, tactically inept, slowing down the Russian troops, have never seen anything with a transistor before, and are supplying shells with 80% misfire rates?

What part of "Let us stop the North Korean troops before they see the battlefield" contradicts that?

Or are you just looking to simp for fascists, as usual?

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[–] LANIK2000@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Functionally useless just like the average Russian soldier, lacking equipment, food, training and likely suffering of medical complications. The thing is, in meat wave assaults it doesn't matter. In fact their cheapness is a quality of its own.

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