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[–] FreakinSteve@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

What year is this?

[–] CoCo_Goldstein@lemmy.world 7 points 8 hours ago

That is definitely a fresh take on Trump.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 8 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

You're not wrong, and congrats for waking up. So many people are now sitting up in the pod and pulling off the wires.

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 26 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

The propaganda tactics from the GOP are also the same. Take a look at Lügenpresse. Fomenting distrust in a free press is a necessity if you want to replace it with a controlled press.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 10 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

It's classic abuser behavior - "Don't listen to anyone but me! No one else loves you!"

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 18 points 12 hours ago

Just now figuring this out are ya? Welcome to the present, glad your finally paying attention.

[–] johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I take it this sub does not have the same moderation standards as its reddit counterpart.

[–] Don_Dickle@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

lol has no moderation hell ever the creator is named karmabot

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 1 points 2 hours ago

What do you know... We do learn something new, everyday.

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 6 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

I think it has to do more with human nature. You can see a similar mentality with the Russian and French revolutions. The biggest difference is that people aren't economically desperate here. People may be poor or feel poor but they aren't truly desperate like Germany in the depression, Russia after the debacle of ww1, France with food shortages, etc. Here it is an ideological and cult of personality issue but not enough to get the majority of people and the major powers (the military, the very wealthy, etc) involved. This feels more like the Red Scare people of the 1950s.

[–] takeheart@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

One of my takeaways from the whole ordeal is that people don't need to be economically desperate, just feeling so goes a long way. The US has had one of the best post covid recoveries. Objectively the US economy is in decent shape but then if you listen to Trump's hustings' you could think that the US is in a deep recession akin to the 1930s, whilst also on the brink of world war 3 and overrun by migrant crime gangs. Combine that with the massive amount of targeted misinformation on social media and you get a new situation in which people are relatively well off (on the grand scale of history) yet radicalized as if destitute.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

still a dangerous time to be anything but white and privileged. even then, being labeled as a commie or pinko was a slow death sentence.

[–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 6 points 13 hours ago

If you're only valuing similarities, then your missing the differences. When you see the differences, you can see the points of tensions that can arise. And if you're not historically contextualizing it, you won't know how this moment is unique and conditioned.

Politically, you still need to organize with people, probe for weaknesses, and attack knowing how mucher weaker you are than the state. This is the same for all responses. But what you do needs to be a unique response to the unique moment with unique weaknesses.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 43 points 1 day ago (2 children)

No that’s what we’ve been saying for 8 years

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

We've been saying it since Bush II's WAR ON TERROR!

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

I called out the Patriot Act as the overt end of Constitutional law.

[–] cmbabul@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Saying or screaming? I've been screaming

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I’ve been calmly attempting to explain because people get very very mean when trans women show negative emotions

[–] cmbabul@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Ah thats fair, cis white dude here, so I've been wearing that privilege out on this issue

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Wonderful! They’ll take frustration from someone like you seriously while what they need from me is someone kind, calculated, and adamant. They need to see me as a neighbor and a peer and when I get them to see that I gain a foothold you can’t in the same way that you gain ground by expressing that even people they’d otherwise find respectable is mad about their behavior

[–] cmbabul@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

We've all got roles to play in the fight against fascism. I'm at WAY less risk so I'm happy to put myself in it

[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 75 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You know, for this whole election cycle, many, many people have been commenting on the parallels between Trump/MAGA and the rise of the Nazi party. It hasn't just been people on social media, there have been lots of well cited articles. Take a look at this Guardian piece from the summer.

So yes, the parallels are so significant that it makes people wonder if it's coincidental or a playbook.

[–] Don_Dickle@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (6 children)

In your honest opinion do you think he will try to get rid of voting so he can remain in power like Hitler did?

[–] enbyecho@lemmy.world 10 points 13 hours ago

We are already well along the road of elections being fairly meaningless. Not because the results aren't counted accurately but because elections can be swayed by numerous mechanisms including voter suppression (voter ID laws, redistricting, restrictions on polling places and methods, etc) and propaganda. Combine that with economic suppression via wealth inequality that results in low-information voters being the norm and you have a relatively easy mechanism to "win" elections that's legal and constitutional.

Hitler didn't get into power by being a dictator, he became one through a series of events. The Reichstag fire was a pretext Hindenburg declaring a state of emergency which not only gave Nazi's the ability to frame and dissent or opposition as traitorous, it also lent "credence" to their propaganda about the threat of communism, allowing them to further consolidate power in the 1933 election.

History rhymes.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 12 points 15 hours ago

He doesn't need to. Elections will happen as usual, but states with Republican-led governments will report favorable results for Republicans regardless of the reality.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 15 points 23 hours ago

I would definitely not put it beyond him. The only thing that could really prevent this would be his death. Be glad that Trump is way older than Hitler was in 1933.

[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 22 hours ago

Absolutely. If Trump dies till then someone else will just take over. America wont have free elections for decades to come.

[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago

I'll be surprised if he lives long enough for that - he's old and has a terrible diet - but he said at a fundraiser that people would only need to vote one more time, which many took to mean that's all he'd need to stay in power. He tried a failed coup in 2020, so clearly doesn't care if it's lawful or not. Would anyone be surprised?

[–] HomesliceAbe@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The scary thing is that Republicans have the holy political trinity right now. Control of the executive as well as both legislative branches. They could easily pass an amendment to nix the 22nd.

[–] ZekeSulastin@sh.itjust.works 3 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)

That’s not how the amendment process works. They’d need a 2/3 majority vote in both the House and the Senate to launch a proposal or 2/3 of the states to hold a constitutional convention; once the amendment is proposed, 3/4 of the states would have to ratify it.

Besides, even a simple majority requirement wouldn’t guarantee success - for example, see the clown show for the GOP House speakership, Senators Manchin (I; D before 2024) and Sinema (I; D before Dec 2022) voting no on various Democratic initiatives, or Senator McCain (R) voting no on the ACA repeal.

There was actually a point where we were two state governorships away from the GOP being able to hold that convention, but that’s still just the proposal.

[–] Fontasia@feddit.nl 4 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

He's got the supreme court on his side, what stopping him making up just forcing things through as emergency measures?

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Nothing. The Supreme Court has no oversight whatsoever and can rule that anything is legal (or illegal) with no way to challenge it.

[–] TheOtherThyme@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago

It doesn't matter how things are should work or how they used to work. Nothing and no one will stop the repugs from doing anything they want.

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 45 points 1 day ago

This is why Republicans have been eroding education and trying to remove state and federal curriculum requirements.

They have been teaching their children. That Nazis were misunderstood.

This has always been the goal.

And they want to mainstream "selecting their own education" with federally funded education credits to make the tax payers fund their brainwashing camps.

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 95 points 1 day ago

Nah, you’re right.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 46 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Read some history books about Germany 1925-1945, and you will notice eerie similarities.

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[–] Orbituary@lemmy.world 59 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The 2nd Weimar Republic has fallen. Americans should never again question how Hitler came to power.

[–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago (4 children)

No one with a brain ever "questioned" how. History has all the evidence needed

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