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About half the people who completely demonize this will still call for some form of it in America. "We won't abuse it unlike them." "We need to stomp out hate speech" "Think of the children".
This is disgusting no matter what, and even if you somehow think a current government won't abuse this, what happens when someone else runs the government?
Couldn't agree more! This is why the internet needs to stay as it is: anonymous, uncensored and open to all. At this point a free and open internet is an essential part of liberty.
Internet is hardly anonymous unless out really go out of your...
It is very much censored just not here so far.
It us vaguely open to all but we got some barriers. But access in US is good.
Let's hear the defense, Tankies. Tell us why this is a good thing.
No tankie worth their salt would say it's a good thing, lol. Being anti-NATO doesn't immediately mean someone is pro-Putin.
There are lots of pro-Putin Tankies. Lots and lots.
Funnily enough that's what the right-wing nuts and left-wing nuts in Germany have in common. We're living in the strangest timeline.
Propaganda good enough to blur any lines
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(I'm implying that you, as many others, equate "tankies" with "communists")
That's why I restricted to only those worth their salt. Russian-right-wing larpers aren't welcome in any communist group.
Putin isn't a communist. So no.
Afaik it's consensus for communists to be both anti-NATO and anti-Putin, as is my case. But since lots of people now just use "tankie" as a derogatory term for "communist" instead of "Putin supporter and Russian supremacist", I felt like making the distinction was a good call.
No, I definitely did not mean communist. I am a socialist, but I am sympathetic to communist ideas.
Then I'm glad to be your acquaintance, comrade. We might have different ideas on how things could be better and how to fight for them, but we definitely know what the real issues are.
Likewise!
I think the others missed that memo
Just other pro genocidal super stars of 1900s?
Are you implying killing Nazi soldiers during ww2 was bad?
Killing Nazis isn't bad, allying with them before being betrayed was. Killing Nazis in self-defense isn't genocide, Holodomor was.
allying with them before being betrayed was
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact ?
So by those rules you imply the whole west is genocidal and Nazist?
Every western power is genocidal and imperialist, and most crises currently ongoing are way worse than that tired example you gave. Do you just care if the suffering population is white?
Also, about allying with Nazis: after WW2, who brought home Nazi high officials and gave them positions of power in their own countries again? USA and UK, if you don't remember.
Nice aboutism but either way nobody is saying anything, nor is anybody worship, the US or its genocidal practices, or France for that matter, or anyone else... Tankies on the other hand suck Stalin and Mao dick as if these turds did not kill people for sport.
Why in 21st century do you need a strong alpha daddy with bad history? Why do you need a daddy at all as an adult person?
When someone brings Holodomor they're not even trying to understand what they're even blaming, so out of tiredness, I don't bring up the fact that the ones who ruined the farms and crops were the rich private landowners who didn't want their properties to be turned over to the state. Holodomor is a capitalist genocide in what was a communist country.
Think for a second: why would a country building an army, needing healthy adults, purposely cause a famine?
Meanwhile every western genocide is about racism, slave-labour and exploitation of the land. Every single one.
Also, nice fallacies you're throwing out there, like that ad hominem at the end, truly marvellous.
Stalin did because he did not like free willing peasants as they were a threat to the regime. Tankie will worship Stalin and won't acknowledge the atrocity then expects to be taken seriously talking about Nazis or US or France etc...
Nobody is defended western atrocities, you are here trying to explain away Stalin's... we have not even gotten to Mao or one of your other beloved daddies.
And tankies aren't worth salt as it is.
I'm not a tankie, but I don't think that the idea of justifying political repression in Russia is likely to be much of a challenge. The Bolsheviks justified single-party rule and their own political repressions for a long time. If you're a tankie, you're presumably already willing to accept that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanguardism
Vanguardism in the context of Leninist revolutionary struggle, relates to a strategy whereby the most class-conscious and politically "advanced" sections of the proletariat or working class, described as the revolutionary vanguard, form organizations to advance the objectives of communism.
The notion of a 'vanguard', as used by Lenin before 1917, did not necessarily imply single-party rule. Lenin considered the Social-Democrats (Bolsheviks) the leading elements of a multi-class (and multi-party) democratic struggle against Tsarism.[7] For a period after the October Revolution, the Bolsheviks (now renamed the Communist Party) operated in the soviets, trade unions, and other working-class mass organisations with other revolutionary parties, such as Mensheviks, Social-Revolutionaries and anarcho-communists, and local soviets often elected non-Bolshevik majorities.[8] Lenin did consider the Bolsheviks the vanguard insofar as they were the most consistent defenders of Soviet power (which he considered the dictatorship of the proletariat or 'Commune-state').[9] However, the situation changed drastically during the Russian Civil War and economic collapse, which decimated the working class and its independent institutions, and saw the development of irreconcilable conflicts between the Bolsheviks and their rivals. At the 10th Congress of the Russian Communist Party (Bolsheviks) in 1921, the Party made the de facto reality de jure by outlawing opposition parties and formalising single-Party rule.[10]
The impetus for having a vanguard party was used by the Bolsheviks to justify their suppression of other parties. Their rationale was that since they were the vanguard of the proletariat, their right to rule could not be legitimately questioned.
Seems like Putin is trying to recreate the CCP's great firewall to hide the scope of his failure in invading Ukraine. It kind of reminds me of the last days of the USSR when they tried desperately to hide how bad the situation was. I'm curious how he technically plans to prevent foreign VPN use, he could create lists of known servers but my understanding is that VPN traffic is encrypted and not able to be identified as such, and of course he's incapable of stopping starlink or similar satellite internet access.
It is possible to detect if traffic is being tunneled through a VPN with deep packet inspection. The great firewall actually does this and blocks popular VPN protocols like wireguard. However its possible to bypass the firewall by hiding/masking the traffic as being HTTPS data (like visiting a website) with software like shadowsocks.
What about those Russian trolls, then?
The ones spewing Russian propaganda? Probably the government itself
Putin has signed new laws that will decimate online anonymity
So Putin is going to remove 10% of online anonymity?
Putin forces 90% of online anonymity to murder the remaining 10%.
Decimate means remove 90% right?
Not originally when it was a punishment for legions that fled in battle. Every ten men would draw lots and one of them would be killed.
A majority of Republicans will be nodding their heads in agreement with this bullshit.
And use a vpn
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Starting this year, internet platforms must verify new users' identities via state-approved systems, before granting access. VPN circumvention advice will constitute a crime, certain Gmail use will be banned, and non-state-approved hosting companies will be rendered illegal.
Since its invasion of Ukraine in February, Russian Members of Parliament and lawmakers have taken turns to see who can come up with the most aggressive anti-Western legislative proposals.
Maybe "anti-Western" isn't the best term. That kind of seems likely to hurt the Russian public more than the West.
