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I've only just finished part one, so there's room for growth of course.

But, it feels like the author puts in grotesqueness at least once every chapter for no reason. For example, when the priest gets pushed over then kicked in the asshole so he shits his pants (and for those who haven't read, I do not mean he gets his ass kicked, I meant literally foot to asshole then shit comes out) and that's all that happens to him. He was then carried off to safety with no further injury. Why even write that. Sure, it could be some odd metaphor about how he's dirty just like everyone else but there are about a dozen better ways to get that across, surely.

I'm failing to see how such a crass book became an LGTBQ+ powerhouse of a musical. Surely there were other stories with similar narratives and less babies sniffing piss, right?

I suppose I don't want an actual explanation. I'm more ranting, but I'd be interested to hear others' thoughts

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[–] DrBob@lemmy.ca 26 points 2 weeks ago

I read the book decades ago and absolutely hated it. Just gross and depressing. I never saw the musical but friends tell me it takes basically nothing from the book - just the core idea of telling the story from the perspective of the wicked witch, who was bullied in her youth.

[–] ninjabard@lemmy.world 25 points 2 weeks ago

You could ask the question about almost any musical. Hamilton was based off of Chernow's biography of the man. Come From Away was based on events during 9/11. In the entirety of Les Misérables, somehow, someone found a musical in there. And don't even get me started on Shucked or Cats.

People who write and compose musicals get inspiration in the strangest of places. Sometimes they have intention sometimes they read or see something and they must needs to write.

[–] jewbacca117@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

Probably by leaving out the gross stuff and adding more songs

[–] 2ugly2live@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

No idea. I actually saw the musical first and the read the book. "Crass" is the perfect word for it. I would have never connected the two outside of it being about the Wicked Witch. I'm glad that it was changed, because the book felt like it was written by an edge lord.

[–] NineMileTower@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Because people like musicals

[–] DScratch@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Well that is the 🎼🎵stupidest thing that I have ever hearrrrrd!🎶

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago

as they say in the industry, "they sing when speaking isn't enough any more."

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago

Musical theatre is both a genre and an umbrella of multiple genres that loosely obey rules like any genre (cyberpunk wouldn't feel good if the story didn't centre around a crime, a western wouldn't feel good if it took place in a large city and was about people living comfortable rich lives)

You can take practically any (or no) story and fit it to the structure. And people have: The Bible has both Godspell and Jesus Christ Superstar, TS Eliots poems were made into Cats, multiple Hans Christian Anderson and Brothers Grim stories are musicals both Disney and not, a handful of chapters of War and Peace became Natasha Pierre and the Great Comet of 1812.

But that isn't much different from Shakespeare, classical opera etc, who did the same thing.

[–] SurfinBird@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Out of the loop. Is the wicked witch of the west a lesbian?

[–] nightofmichelinstars@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 weeks ago

Not in the musical, she has a male love interest. I don't remember the book.

[–] letsgo@lemm.ee -3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Well why not. Everyone else is these days.

[–] Technoguyfication@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] letsgo@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago

No, loads of people in entertainment being gay predates woke.