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I'm just getting back into Legos and recieved the 10317 Defender kit for the holidays. I would rather it have white wheels (I don't mind painting) and found that there was a past model wheel that came in white. The only difference is the axle style. Instead of the cross pattern it looks more like a half cross. What is this pattern called? Is it compatible with the cross pattern? It looks like it could be.

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[–] Squorlple@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You’re meaning specifically the center hole? Both types of holes are functionally identical and can be used on the same types of shafts.

BrickLink (a useful and typically default Lego index and 3rd party marketplace) seems to only differentiate between these axle hole types as a footnote since they function identically. This piece is one of only a few instances I can think of where they do even mention it, and they call them x Shape and + Shape.

However, the wheels that you’re talking about are different beyond just the shape of the hole. The Sand Green wheel in 10317 has its center hole flush with the other holes on both sides. The mold variant in White has its center hole sticking out past the other 6 holes on one side; this is more clear if you click on 3D/Large Images and rotate the render around to see the opposite side. If you switch the wheels on the Defender, you’d probably be best off orienting the white wheels with the extended center hole sticking outward and then either removing the Light Bluish Gray axle spacers at the outside of each axle shaft or locating them at the very ends of the axle shafts.

[–] sic_semper_tyrannis 8 points 3 weeks ago

Thanks for the fantastic response. Ah, I missed how the center hole protrudes, good eye. Thanks for clarifying the compatibility too!

My goal is to flip the wheels backwards as it is the closest resemblance to the "wolf" style Defender wheel and suits an expedition vehicle. I have been messing around with flipping my wheels and changing the spacers as well. The best fit for a flush with the fender flare look is no spacer at all, the only problem being the wheel then slightly rubs against the steering knuckle as the backspacing is now different. It's not much of a problem as this isn't an RC car. The axle shafts for the rear will need to be elongated to work with the extended center hole.

I appreciate the help!

[–] nokturne213@sopuli.xyz 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Unsure of what the pattern is called, you could look it up on brickset or bricklink.

As far as compatibility is concerned, this style hub works on the standard axle.

[–] sic_semper_tyrannis 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I will have to explore bricklink more. That's where I got the screenshot from. Thanks for clarifying the compatibility!

[–] nokturne213@sopuli.xyz 5 points 3 weeks ago

Try giving LEGO a call. I called them earlier this year about an old set and trying to find out more info on 121/328. They were super friendly even though they could not shed any light on my question.