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[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 18 points 2 days ago (19 children)

Is it really that bad? Sure it might be linked to cancer but so are lots of other things.

I personally just use normal cookware plus some vision stuff. All you need to do is salute some onions ahead of adding other things. The juice from the onions acts as a natural non stick.

[–] Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com 7 points 2 days ago

Can't even use a Teflon pan if you have a budgie or the fumes will kill it.

So I think it is probably quite bad.

[–] Knightfox@lemmy.one 9 points 2 days ago (8 children)

In reality no one can say for certain, but a lot of research is pointing to long term exposure being bad. The problem is that the research to determine how bad will take decades (and has been going on for decades at this point). Right now it's being used as the boogeyman for every sort of ill from causing cancer, infertility, issues with lactation, liver failure, high cholesterol, thyroid disease, and auto-immune disorders. Basically the preliminary research says that it at least in part impacts all of these things, we just don't know how much.

On the flip side bacon also causes cancer and high cholesterol at some level. That's not to make light of the situation, but it does give some credence to your earlier statement.

The thing people are missing in these discussions is what are they willing to live without if we don't use these chemicals. Going without non-stick cookware is literally the tip of the iceberg. How do we feel about cars, furniture, and mattresses being more flammable because they don't have the fire retarding forever chemicals? How do we feel about stain resistance, oil resistance, water resistance, and slip resistance in everything including shoes, umbrellas, clothes, oven mitts, jackets, and more? How do we feel about needing to clean everything including clothes, appliances, and floors more often. How about in industry where it's used as a fume suppressant so smelly chemicals don't waft as far or fire fighting foams the next time an electric car catches on fire? This stuff is even in the wrapping of your food so the it doesn't go through the packaging and cause a mess as easily.

Dupont coined the phrase "Better Living Through Chemistry" and that chemistry is PFAS. It's in your clothes when you buy them, it's in your detergent when you clean them, it's in the cleaner that you wipe your washer off with, it's in the floor sealant of the laundry room that washer is in, it's in the gloves you wear while cleaning that laundry room, it's in the carpet in the room next to the laundry room, and the list goes on and on.

Dropping PFAS chemicals fully would probably send us back to the 1960's or we'll end up replacing it with something just as bad that we don't know the effects of yet.

[–] _bac@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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[–] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Yes. Get as far away from that shit as you can.

[–] megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It’s perfectly fine so long as none of the coating gets in your body, but given you’re making food with it, there’s a high chance it will.

If it get’s too hot it will off gas, if it gets scratched with something harder than it (like a metal spatula, or salt grains) it will flake off. So you should use plastic or wood utensils when cooking in one, and the black plastic utensils have their own issues with often being made from recycled plastics that have fire retardants mixed in, which can leach out.

You can be safe with them but it requires you be careful and deliberate with use. Personally, I think it’s easier just to use something else, even if that means taking the time to learn about how to use them well.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

I never use anything but wood and plastic so it is probably fine

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 13 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Never really had any issue with Teflon (and Teflon substitute) pans, but I've been impressed with the non-stickiness of my dirt cheap "ceramic" wok.

[–] megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago

The issue is that we don’t have much research on the ceramic coatings ether. They might be fine, but, there hasn’t really been enough testing to know. We might just be walking in to the same problem all over again, fluorocarbon coatings seemed fine at fist to, then they turned out to be a huge problem.

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