Calls it "Deepsneak", failing to make it clear that the reason people love Deepseek is that you can download and it run it securely on any of your own private devices or servers - unlike most of the competing SOTA AIs.

I can't speak for Proton, but the last couple weeks are showing some very clear biases coming out.

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[–] Finalsolo963@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 hours ago

I suspect the enshittification of proton is fast approaching.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 12 hours ago

1978 US Automotive Companies: If we make a product that locks our customers in, they'll be our customers forever!

1978 Japanese Automotive Companies: The US gave us their required parameters. If we make a product that works then customers will keep buying our stuff.

2025 US Tech Companies: If we make our products contingent on proprietary software and hardware, we'll lock them in.

2025 Chinese Tech Companies: The US gave us their required parameters. If we make a product that works and they can utilize freely, they'll keep buying our stuff.

Not our first rodeo.

[–] ToxicWaste@lemm.ee 9 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

this is obviously talking about their web app, which most people will be using. In this special instance, it was clearly not the LLM itself censoring the Tiananmen Square, but a layer on top.

i have not bothered downloading and asking deepseek about Tiananmen Square. so i cannot know what the model would have generated. however, it is possible that certain biasses are trained into any model.

i am pretty sure, this blog is aimed at the average user. while i wouldn't trust any LLM company with my data, i certainly wouldn't want the chinese government to have them. anyone that knows how to use (ollama)[https://github.com/ollama/ollama] should know these telemetry data don't apply to running locally. but for sure, pointing it out in the blog would help.

[–] chebra@mstdn.io 4 points 6 hours ago

@ToxicWaste @JOMusic the censorship is trained into the ollama models too. But of course the self-hosted model cannot send anything to China, so at least the whole tracking issue is avoided.

[–] abobla@lemm.ee 12 points 15 hours ago

Jesus fuckin Christ, just marry Trump at this point, Mister proton CEO.

[–] harsh3466@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

I want to preface this question by saying that I'm not trolling and I'm not defending Proton. I'm genuinely confused at the reaction to this article.

I'm also upset with Proton's recent comments, specifically the December tweet and subsequent responses, and I'm evaluating my use of Proton.

Near as I can tell, this article (which I did read) lays out the facts about Deepseek as an LLM originating in China and the implications of that.

Why is this article a reason to pile on proton?

[–] thirteene@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago

Proton had a reputation for being the good guy. In the span of a month, we saw them bend the knee, flip flop and throw shade at competition; all while pretending to be the hero. We essentially have to trust them with our data and they are showing signs that they are willing to act against that trust with worrisome agendas and biases. It's not a good look, and since this marketing to users key issues, it's going to cause some responses.

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

Calls it "Deepsneak", failing to make it clear that the reason people love Deepseek is that you can download and it run it securely on any of your own private devices or servers - unlike most of the competing SOTA AIs.I can't speak for Proton, but the last couple weeks are showing some very clear biases coming out.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 22 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Goddammit I had such high hopes for Proton. Was planning on that being my post-Google main. Now what. 💀

[–] yourFanatic@sh.itjust.works 7 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Tutanota and Mailfence have a free tier.

[–] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 4 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

At this point I'm this 🤏 close to ~~hosting my own email~~ abandoning it all and living in a cabin in yhe woods

[–] AHemlocksLie@lemmy.zip 1 points 12 minutes ago

Man, I wish self hosted email was a reasonable thing to do. But it's a pain to set up the server and the domain stuff, and once you do, if anyone ever spammed off that IP, you're probably screwed anyway because good luck getting off the blacklists.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

Anything European-based to recommend? I'd like something as far-removed from America as possible, respecting GDPR, privacy, etc., but with a good-sized free-tier storage. I don't think I need more than a couple GB for email. Calendar included would be a big plus as well. 😅 Probably asking for a lot here...

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Tutanota is gdpr but only 1GB free storage. They do offer calendar for free as well with open sourced apps.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Thanks! I saw Tuta from the previous comment and thought 1 GB is a bit on the small side, kind of like Proton. But not too expensive to go up a tier either. 👍

[–] breadcat@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 hours ago

honestly probably worth paying for for something if it means enough to you

[–] dinozaur@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 12 hours ago

I use Infomaniak Mail or ikmail for short. They give you 20GB free, have a whole suite (calendar and others), and are Swiss based. It can also link to other mail clients under the free tier. Only hurdle is using a VPN or proxy for initial sign up, but that can be turned off for daily usage.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

I found this while searching on my own. Might help someone else. 🤷‍♂️

https://european-alternatives.eu/alternative-to/gmail

[–] yourFanatic@sh.itjust.works 10 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

I cancelled my Proton renewal for January and am very happy with Mullvad VPN.

Mozilla VPN runs Mullvad under the hood as well.

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I remember mullvad has less servers than proton and I hear they get blacklisted often. Have you encountered anything like this?

[–] yourFanatic@sh.itjust.works 1 points 37 minutes ago* (last edited 30 minutes ago)

I've been "blocked by network security" on reddit. Switching to the next server resolves the issue.

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[–] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Since ditching Proton for Tuta and Mailbox...I haven't missed anything and I'm saving money.

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I got a proton vpn subscription a while ago and they upgraded me to unlimited for the same price. So I think I'm paying like $6.25/month for an unlimited plan. I feel like it's too good to leave. If I do tuta's plan that's $3, then another $4 for simplelogin, and $5 for mullvad. So that's $12 a month if I leave my plan.

[–] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 hours ago

I get it, and please, you do you. There's no issue.

I'd just add that I can save money using Amazon, but I try to avoid it when I can. I'll pay a little extra when I can, for the greater good.

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