Calls it "Deepsneak", failing to make it clear that the reason people love Deepseek is that you can download and it run it securely on any of your own private devices or servers - unlike most of the competing SOTA AIs.

I can't speak for Proton, but the last couple weeks are showing some very clear biases coming out.

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[–] zante@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 day ago

Proton have been too noisy from the very start .

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 7 points 1 day ago (7 children)

It might be that they're equating the name with the app and company, not the open source model, based on one of the first lines:

AI chat apps like ChatGPT collect user data, filter responses, and make content moderation decisions that are not always transparent.

Emphasis mine. The rest of the article reads the same way.

Most people aren't privacy-conscious enough to care who gets what data and who's building the binaries and web apps, so sounding the alarm is appropriate for people who barely know the difference between AI and AGI.

I get that people are mad at Proton right now (anyone have a link? I'm behind on the recent stuff), but we should ensure we get mad at things that are real, not invent imaginary ones based on contrived contexts.

[–] JOMusic@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago

Yeah it's a fair call, but to me it is the very context of why people are made at Proton that makes me suspicious of articles like this.

I can't find the original summary post someone made, but here's the last response from Proton CEO. Read the comments as well to get a good summary: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1i2nz9v/on_politics_and_proton_a_message_from_andy/

TL;DR: Proton used their official accounts to share CEO's pro-US-Republican thoughts as their official stance. They since apologized and said they would use personal account to share those thoughts. But (IMO) now having posted this blog on the actual Proton website, it says to me that there are some serious bias alignment issues with a company that is supposed to be a safe-haven away from all of that.

[–] ImFineJustABitTired@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Most people aren't privacy-conscious enough to care who gets what data

I assume most people who pay for proton don’t fall into this category

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 1 points 1 day ago

Perhaps, and if they do indeed care and read that blog, maybe they'll share it with friends who don't have a clue.

[–] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 4 points 1 day ago

it is certainly that. but recently its become very trendy to hate Proton, so its just easier to do that instead of thinking. I'm really disappointed in this community

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[–] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

im not an expert at criticism, but I think its fair from their part.

I mean, can you remind me what are the hardware requirements to run deepseek locally?
oh, you need a high-end graphics card with at least 8 GB VRAM for that*? for the highly distilled variants! for more complete ones you need multiple such graphics card interconnected! how do you even do that with more than 2 cards on a consumer motherboard??

how many do you think have access to such a system, I mean even 1 high-end gpu with just 8 GB VRAM, considering that more and more people only have a smartphone nowadays, but also that these are very expensive even for gamers?
and as you will read in the 2nd referenced article below, memory size is not the only factor: the distill requiring only 1 GB VRAM still requires a high-end gpu for the model to be usable.

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/amd-released-instructions-for-running-deepseek-on-ryzen-ai-cpus-and-radeon-gpus

https://bizon-tech.com/blog/how-to-run-deepseek-r1-locally-a-free-alternative-to-openais-o1-model-hardware-requirements#a6

https://codingmall.com/knowledge-base/25-global/240733-what-are-the-system-requirements-for-running-deepseek-models-locally

so my point is that when talking about deepseek, you can't ignore how they operate their online service, as most people will only be able to try that.

I understand that recently it's very trendy, and cool to shit on Proton, but they have a very strong point here.

[–] corvus@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

Here is how you can run the 671B model without using graphic cards for about $6.000. Here is the post on X.

[–] Danitos@reddthat.com 7 points 1 day ago

The 1.5B version that can be run basically on anything. My friend runs it in his shitty laptop with 512MB iGPU and 8GB of RAM (inference takes 30 seconds)

You don't even need a GPU with good VRAM, as you can offload it to RAM (slower inference, though)

I've run the 14B version on my AMD 6700XT GPU and it only takes ~9GB of VRAM (inference over 1k tokens takes 20 seconds). The 8B version takes around 5-6GB of VRAM (inference over 1k tokens takes 5 seconds)

The numbers in your second link are waaaaaay off.

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