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[–] DrownedRats@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Genuinely thought that said "anachronism" and was ready to go on a tirade about how cool cloaks are and how they should make a comeback

[–] waz@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Fuck yeah, I'd wear a cloak.

[–] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

ITT: Nobody has any idea what any anarchist philosopher ever said or believed and simply thinks it means no rules

They then strut victoriously, thinking they are smarter than every anarchist philosopher who has ever existed because they know that rules matter in a society, not realizing that no anarchist thinker has ever said "let's just have no rules or organization and just see how it goes based on the vibes"

[–] Tedesche@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

How’s about this: name me one functioning country of significant size (i.e. not just a commune) that functions on an anarchistic model. Demonstrate via examples that this system actually works in practice.

[–] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 0 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Catalonia

edit: I also think it's important to mention that this system has not been given a fair shot, we would not do science where variables aren't controlled, and there are outside forces that desperately want this system to fail.

Every single powerful person, every single wealthy person wants anarchism to fail desperately, because it would invalidate their reason for existing. It is impossible to name even one settlement that wasn't attacked by very poweful outside forces.

[–] Tedesche@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

This was the best you could come up with? A regime that lasted one full year?

I rest my case.

[–] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (9 children)

Anarchy sounds good to me then someone asks "Who'd fix the sewers?"

edit: This is lyrics from The Dead Kennedy’s “Where Do You Draw the Line?”

[–] Triasha@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Anarchist response would be "people who want functioning sewers, which should be everybody."

Yeah it's a dirty job. So is wiping your ass. Does someone need to threaten you to wipe your ass? Take a shower? When your toilet breaks at home do you shrug and just shit on the bathroom floor?

No, you fix the toilet. Same with the sewers.

[–] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Ok and who does that end up being?

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[–] NaNin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 days ago

A lot of people think it means total chaos, but it really just means an opposition to hierarchy.

People living comfortable lives will rationalize any critique of the system away, even if that comfort is built upon emiseration and exploitation.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 42 points 2 days ago (19 children)

In the absence of other power structures (political, legal, religious, economic, etc) whoever has the means and willingness to do violence will exert their will over others. Unstructured societies always devolve into might makes right.

[–] naeap@sopuli.xyz 17 points 2 days ago (11 children)

There is a difference between Anomie and anarchy

Just because there are no leaders/rulers, doesn't mean there are no social rules or morale values.

A law doesn't keep one from doing bad stuff.
Else we wouldn't have murderers.

But society must grow and develop. At the current state anarchy probably wouldn't work...

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[–] Sivecano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 days ago

People calling themselves anarchists seem to reliably be less of a red flag than when they call themselves communists.

I think there's a lot of sentiment to sympathize with and a lot of ideas to learn about.

Implementation of anarchism seems hard and maybe sometimes a bit naïve, but on the other hand I don't actually understand the specifics nor is there any one opinion.

Anarvhism refers to a vlass of ideologies moreso than any one in specific.

[–] WatDabney@sopuli.xyz 30 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (14 children)

I think that if humanity can manage to survive long enough, anarchism is inevitable.

It's essentially the adult stage of human society - the point at which humans collectively and consistently, rather than just individually and situationally, can be trusted to generally do the right thing simply because it's the right thing and therefore the most reasonable thing to do.

For the time being and the foreseeable future though, humanity is nowhere even close to that. Through the course of history, human society has managed to advance to about the equivalent of adolescence. There's still a long way to go.

In spite of that, I do identify as an anarchist, but my advocacy is focused on the ideal and the steps humanity as a whole has to take to achieve it. I think it's plainly obvious that it cannot be implemented, since any mechanism by which it might be inplemented would necessarily violate the very principles that define it. It can only be willingly adopted by each and all (or close enough as makes no meaningful difference), and that point will come whenever (if) it comes.

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[–] ptz@dubvee.org 20 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

That it's basically the lefty equivalent to a libertarian. Both of those philosophies seem juvenile to me in a "I don't want to, and you can't make me" kind of way. Call me old fashioned, but I like structure as long as it's not totalitarian. I'm happy to pay taxes as long as they're going toward the benefit of society. Granted, that largely hasn't been the case, but I don't think we need to throw the baby out with the bathwater either.

Recent events have also highlighted how much my taxes actually were going toward the betterment of society (though still not nearly enough), and that I had taken them for granted until they were recently axed/defunded.

Anarchists aren't against government, or even taxes, they're against the state, which is different.

you defeated a strawman, no anarchist philosopher would disagree that that would be stupid

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[–] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It depends on the definition

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[–] Wahots@pawb.social 8 points 2 days ago (5 children)

It seems foolish and young to me. Same as libertarian rules or rule by religious doctrine. None of that shit works. Just shiny little playthings to keep people distracted from real and genuine problems that cause an existential threat to all species living on earth.

[–] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Which anarchist philosophers beliefs did you find foolish and young, and why? I'd love a critique!

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[–] Zero22xx@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 days ago

When I was younger, I believed that it was an ideal worth striving for. Now I don't have that much faith in people anymore and I think that the best you can ask for is to try to live life your way and stay true to your beliefs and morals as best you can, according to whatever circumstances that you've been given.

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