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Arch is aimed at people who know their shit so they can build their own distro based on how they imagine their distro to be. It is not a good distro for beginners and non power users, no matter how often you try to make your own repository, and how many GUI installers you make for it. There's a good reason why there is no GUI installer in arch (aside from being able to load it into ram). That being that to use Arch, you need to have a basic understanding of the terminal. It is in no way hard to boot arch and type in archinstall. However, if you don't even know how to do that, your experience in whatever distro, no matter how arch based it is or not, will only last until you have a dependency error or some utter and total Arch bullshit® happens on your system and you have to run to the forums because you don't understand how a wiki works.

You want a bleeding edge distro? Use goddamn Opensuse Tumbleweed for all I care, it is on par with arch, and it has none of the arch stuff.

You have this one package that is only available on arch repos? Use goddamn flatpak and stop crying about flatpak being bloated, you probably don't even know what bloat means if you can't set up arch. And no, it dosent run worse. Those 0,0001 seconds don't matter.

You really want arch so you can be cool? Read the goddamn 50 page install guide and set it up, then we'll talk about those arch forks.

(Also, most arch forks that don't use arch repos break the aur, so you don't even have the one thing you want from arch)

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[–] K0W4LSK1@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I started with real arch and loved it. Different strokes different folks

[–] iriyan@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

Once you learn pacman is hard to go to anything substandard and slow, so you are hooked.

[–] Maiq@lemy.lol 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

I want linux to be as welcoming as possible to everyone and the newbie question of what distro to use will come up a lot. I dont think it's helpful in any way to bicker about why my choice in linux is better. We should be giving them the tools to make the best decision for themselves

What if we built a beginners linux community (Linux, Where Do I Start -> LWDIS) and point to all the distros communities, and on those distro specific communities they had beginner friendly install, setup, rice, maintenance instructions and advice along with a difficulty rating. I don't know if stickies are a thing here but could be helpful in keeping relevant info on top. This could be a place for fanboys to shine on there favorite distro while keeping the basic inclusive LWDIS community free of bickering about distros that might cause confusion and turn people off.

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[–] iriyan@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago

A beginner to what, to pacman, to arch, to rolling distro, to linux, to unix, to a PC, to using man-made tools ...

I made an installation to an old pc once, I though it would last a while, and since the users could barely understand what an on/off button does, they just wanted google and facebook, so it was a wm with two browsers, daughter already knew what chrome was, and in the login shell I wrote a script that each new day it booted it attempted pacman -Suy --noconfirm then once a week the cache was emptied and the logs trimmed.

That was before covid, a couple months ago I met her, she said it has been working fine every since.

So there is your dinner

PS Actually it wasn't arch it was artix with runit but that is about the same

[–] Zucca@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

And I started with Gentoo...

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[–] purplemeowanon@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

it's a good beginner distro because getting thrown into deep water is how one learns to swim. archinstall makes it easy enough to install. some configuration may be needed, but that's the point of Arch as a learning process! still, i'd recommend Fedora, Tumbleweed, or even Debian (it's out of date but some people prefer UIs that don't change very often and it still offers 32-bit for your grandpa and his old laptop that's now too slow for Windows 10/11) over Arch.

Arch is good for beginner sysadmins/programmers/CS students. Fedora and Tumbleweed for enthusiasts who want the latest software but aren't trying to be that hardcore. Debian for people who have old laptops and only want to learn GNOME/XFCE once and never have to re-learn it with every update.

Gentoo is a good example of a distro that's absolutely not for beginners. Arch, on the other hand, really isn't all that bad.

[–] Nibodhika@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

it's a good beginner distro because getting thrown into deep water is how one learns to swim.

It's exactly like getting thrown into the deep end, if you don't know how to swim you'll drown. No one learns to swim by getting thrown to the deep end, and you're more likely to have a bad experience and be discouraged from trying it again.

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[–] randomaside@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is funny. I feel like I see a "which arch is better" post almost everyday now.

A lot of people I think would be well suited to be on Bluefin or Bazzite. I really can't sing the praises of it enough. It has a ton of well developed resources and the Appstore is flatpak centric. It really does give you that ChromeOS like experience for the average user.

End users should really be nowhere near package management. They should just be able to run the apps they want and expect them to work.

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[–] actionjbone@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago (5 children)

I mean, Manjaro wasthe first distro I truly used regularly.

But I'm no stranger to command lines, so there's that.

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[–] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 month ago

I use Debian ftw.

[–] commander@lemmings.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not sure about forks, but I agree with what you said before.

Manjaro is great.

[–] daggermoon@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Clearly you've never used it for an extended period, or If you have you never installed packages from the AUR.

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As someone who wanted to jump in with both feet on my journey to using more than just Windows & mobile OSes, I actually started from Arch. Well, sort of. If you have a beginner who wants to try Linux and actually wants to know the discomfort they'll experience, give them Archbang.

It works on very basic hardware requirements, does very well as a live distro, and was honestly an important step in my personal journey that has ended me up in a place where I keep two systems - one with Windows 10, and a separate computer with Linux Mint.

Obviously, I'm not in the place many people are. But I just wanted to toss in my 2 cents. Arch itself is not for beginners. Archbang can be, especially if you have a user who's open to a live distro and doesn't want to try dual-booting yet (and only has one computer). I think that the project deserves more visibility and support than it gets.

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