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You know, DOGE, fascist president and corporations dictating what people can do, institutions being ruined, laws being ignored. Is there any way out of that or is it over? Is the USA done?

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[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (13 children)

I mean, don't be so defeatist. Thats what they want you to feel.

We still have a last line of defence: Federalism.

We'd just have to hope the Democratic governors have the spine to stand up against Federal tyranny when the time comes, when they use the military against the people. And it's up to the people in the 50 State's National Guard, and law enforcement, and the military to decide between the constitution and fascism.

As for the federal firings, that's not something that state governments can do anything about, so that's unstoppable. But if you are talking about soldiers on the streets nazi style, probably not happening yet. We still have a bit of time to change course.

I'll tell you this: if the 2026 midterms elections is cancelled, or if republicans win both houses, there's probably no hope (since the opposition usually gains during midterms). That's just civil war, and you'll have to hope the pro-constitution side wins the civil war.

TLDR: You'll have to hope elections still exist, and hope that democrats win in 2026, hopefully both houses. And also they'll have to win 2028 with a trifecta.

And States run elections btw, the federal government will literally have to deploy troops to stop elections. And the governors can try to use the National Guard to blockcade federal troops from entering.

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 3 days ago (8 children)

We're on the way down. The Right in this country (well, really, everywhere, but it's more maniacal here) are growing more unhinged. The Dems keep pulling to the right as a result (since at least the 80s). The overtone window keeps shifting. We're absolutely fucked.

William F Buckley was a major source of inspiration for the Right for decades. I recently watched his debate with James Baldwin at Cambridge in 1965. He argued racist points about Black single moms, but he tried to sound compassionate and denounced racism. He hid his racism in plain sight but sounded educated. There's nothing like that now. "They're eating the dogs."

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[–] BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Screwed, and unfortunately screwing around too

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

"screwed" seems a little mild to describe it

[–] takeiteasypolicy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (8 children)

I wont give a knee jerk response to it. a country the size, economy, and history of USA doesn't get done for by one President. While Muskrump will cause plenty of institutional damage and suffering on American and global populace, USA will come out stronger and better nation at the end of this (whenever this ends). Case in point, Germany before WWII and Germany after WWII

[–] stm@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago

USA will come out stronger and better nation at the end of this

damn

[–] Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

One can argue that Felon 47 is a different president. Two bad presidents as evil as Trump and Musk will sink the US.

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[–] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago

Short answer? Yes. Long answer? Absolutely.

[–] EndRedStateSubsidies@leminal.space 28 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Yes.

In the short term not much will change and no one will react. By the time they want to react, they'll play into a fascist crackdown.

Look into the Business Plot. This is basically the result of a century of planning between business interests and religious fanatics with too much money.

As long as capitalism is propagandized as a good thing, civilization will continue to face this issue of the few exploiting the many.

Do you believe every human deserves the same rights and dignities? It's not possible to make a cell phone without relying on slave labor in the supply chains.

Profit is unpaid labor. As long as we normalize giving at the profits to those that already have everything, civilisations will continue to implode until one makes a mistake of such hubris everyone dies. Look at PFAS. One day we will unleash something we can't contain and we'll be dead before we can detect it or treat it.

Our species simply will not survive because we're too eager to shit where we sleep just so we don't have to walk all the way to the bathroom.

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 days ago

More and more every day...

[–] HighFructoseLowStand@lemm.ee 8 points 3 days ago

Unless there's a coup when the Supreme Court finds against Trump and he ignores them and Republicans keep Congress from holding him accountable the only way the Court will let them.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmings.world 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I would say so. The only question is whether the good guys win a civil war. My money is on 'yes', since Yarvin's Cabal is hellbent on exiling all of the competent people from their society, along with being jackasses who have alienated many peoples. It will be a bloody struggle, but I think that Dogey America will ultimately receive the Old Yeller treatment. I only hope that every member of Yarvin's Cabal are executed - Elon, Thiel, ect.

Let's not make the mistakes of the 1st Civil War, 1st Business Plot, and 2nd World War, where many high ranking members were permitted to escape justice.

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