and this has led to a rampant monopolisation of the init system.
You will be shocked if you find out that virtually every distro runs on the same kernel. Pure monopolisation! For the freedom to choose!
You will be shocked if you find out that virtually every distro runs on the same kernel. Pure monopolisation!
FUCK! What's next? Everything using glibc?
I'm a proponent of musl with Alpine, Gentoo and Void. I'm all for it.
I’m a proponent of musl with Alpine, Gentoo and Void. I’m all for it.
Not binary compatible with gibc, so I guess it's a victim of the glibc monopoly then.
I'm just waiting for GNU Hurd to be viable myself.
I hear it's completely ready but they only built an ipv6 stack so as soon as everything finishes the quick migration to ipv6 we can all switch to it.
There was choice, but not enough volunteers: https://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/
every distro runs on the same kernel.
Still it is super easy to change the kernel in an installed and running system, but compare that to the real PITA to change the init environment on the same system.
Last time I tried it was an apt install followed by a reboot. If your distribution claims to support several inits and it is harder than that: Your distribution did a poor job.
But that kernel is still some version of Linux. Good luck installing the Darwin kernel or FreeBSD kernel on arch
@ultra @NeoNachtwaechter why would you want to do that?
I only gave that example to prove my point
Ring me when systemd starts phoning home to Microsoft and/or installing random microsoft-related packages without my consent.
Whilst I don't think that will happen anytime soon, I do not like how RedHat handled CentOS. With that said, I don't think they are about to put their flagship init system on a testing-only OS (at this point), but I don't know what they will come up with
To M$ maybe not, to RH... dunno.
Poettering now works for Microsoft
systemd has no copyright assignment or CLA. Poettering could work for Putin and systemd as proper Free Software project would not be affected that much.
this has led to a rampant monopolisation of the init system.
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
That's literally the opposite of a monopoly. You can make a fork of systemd now and call it lemmyd.
Yeah as far as i know Red Hat is still the primary developer... for what that's worth. But I'd worry more about them than Poettering.
I’d worry more about them than Poettering.
Red Hat isn't the Linux distributor that's releasing CLA'ed or copyright assignment shit. The principles of true Free Software work just as well when it's about Red Hat.
You're not wrong.
Indeed. I should probably have highlighted that better in my post.
monopolisation of the init system
That's the one thing about systemd that is sort of nice. We don't really need to have more than one init system, and it does a sufficiently comprehensive job of being one. If it were only an init system and nothing else, there basically wouldn't be any remaining complaints about it by now.
If you don’t want another CentOS-style “oof, sorry, off to testing” debacle
The major difference is that the CentOS project is basically owned by redhat while systemd isn’t. I do not get this argument. Systemd makes it easier for EVERYONE instead of having to port services across init systems. Unless your alternative has compatibility, I won’t use it.
-- because it's not an argument; it's a vague association of imagery with no explanatory content.
What does Poett.'s current employment have to do with anything, though? Guido van Rossum (Python) & Simon Peyton Jones (Haskell) work at M$; I believe the guy who started Gentoo went on to work there likewise. Same with the lead dev of GNOME. I despise M$ as much as the next man; but correlations like these reek of guilt by association.
Good alternatives: Devuan, Slackware, Gentoo.
Gentoo took the better approach, imo, you can choose your init system. Done.
Indeed. I'd add Void for runit and the BSDs to the list.
might want to look at the more "advanced" distributions that let you choose the init system.
Yeah, sure... integrating a init system is a huge task (if you want to do it properly). Let's do that several times!
Obsolete tech gets phased out all the time. Why do so many people want to treat systemd like some kind of conspiracy? Where's the hate for Wayland, or x86_64?
I don't have a very high opinion of x64 either, but that's for a different post
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