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[–] TDCN@feddit.dk 12 points 14 hours ago (16 children)

Someone can probably do the math, but i have a hunch that humans are technically not very fuel efficient if you look at calories burned pr the total mass being moved along.

But whatever it is biking is awesome, but being technically correct is even better.

[–] TheButter_ItSeeps@lemmy.world 11 points 13 hours ago

I feel like 'total mass being moved' is irrelevent if most of that mass is useless (car motor/metal frame/plastic/etc).

Even if a car motor was more efficient per kg, most of the work is wasted on moving the actual car itself, regardless of the passengers & cargo.

Bikes clearly use less energy to displace 'useful mass' than a car, so they are more efficient in that sense.

[–] theoli@startrek.website 5 points 13 hours ago

Quick math shows I am quite a bit more efficient than a Nissan Juke traveling 150 miles at 19mph. About 50kcal/pound for the car and 8kcal/pound for me+bike to travel the distance.

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[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 74 points 20 hours ago (4 children)

Bikes were and still are a revolutionary technology. There's a reason suffragettes were often associated with bicycles.

[–] orockwell@lemmy.world 21 points 19 hours ago (5 children)
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[–] Soup@lemmy.world 132 points 22 hours ago (9 children)

Don’t forget that maintenance is super cheap AND most people, with only the most basic tools, can do the work in their living room or even just on a sidewalk. And if I don’t get it right and the brakes don’t work perfectly I probably won’t fuckin’ die.

Hi, car owner here. I do all the work myself and it requires a fair bit of knowledge, expensive tools, space, and a childhood where I was never told I couldn’t do that work if I was thoughtful about it. That’s a high fuckin’ bar and requires a whole lot of privilege-oh there it is, too many people with privilege like to shit on those without and most of North America has dogshit for public transit or bike infrastructure and the “freedom of movement” with a car is all there but heavily artificial. Thanks auto industry and their lobbyists.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 45 points 21 hours ago (16 children)

I do my own bicycle and auto repair, and the bicycle is way easier. Maintenance is:

  • clean chain every so often (500 miles or start of the season) - get a chain cleaner tool thing ($10-20) and 50/50 Simple Green ($10 will last many years) and water, and then rinse, dry, and lube ($10 lasts years) - total process, 10 min?
  • replace chain - $20 or so, plus a tool for $10 or so; do every 2k miles or so
  • replace brake pads - $10-20
  • tires ($50 for a fancy fire) and tubes ($10) - replace tires when bald, tubes when flat (or patch them), and get some tire levers ($5-10) to make it easier

For tools, you need a wrench set, and probably only like 2-3 sizes.

My yearly maintenance costs for all of our bikes (1 adult, two kids) combined is about $50. If that. You could also go to your local bike shop instead for about double that.

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 31 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (4 children)

Also this is a healthy maintence regime. In my experience most cyclists do nothing on that list except swapping flat tubes and their bikes still ride just fine, if not merely sub-optimally.

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[–] RejZoR@lemmy.ml 39 points 19 hours ago (16 children)

Rain, ice and severe cold are a removed. I like bicycles, but driving to work in a heated car looking at that poor cyclist riding somewhere at 6 in the morning at -6°C, sorry, no, I'm gonna go with a car.

[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 4 points 11 hours ago

If it's me on the bike, know that I'm pitying you. -6°C is nothing. I drove a lot of miles as a delivery driver, and saw a lot of faces behind windshields in that time. Very few happy faces. Driving makes people miserable.

[–] e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 17 hours ago (8 children)

I disagree cycling in winter is nice. Just get some warm clothes and good tyres. A car is also really expensive to own in the city. Why pay for a car and parking when the alternative is almost free and arguably more fun.

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[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 13 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

Arrive to work soaked in sweat because it's been 100+ degrees every day for the past 8 weeks.

[–] knexcar@lemmy.world 15 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

You lose the benefits of it being cheap, but an ebike is a decent solution

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[–] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 10 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Well, that is largely caused by cars.

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[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 47 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

Cuz putting on a raincoat or some warm clothes is too much for these weak ass people.

[–] Nfamwap@lemmy.world 9 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

I get the sentiment, but a raincoat isn't enough on its own. Sure, if you've got a 5 minute commute, you can get there quickly and spend minimal time in the rain.

A 20 minute commute in the pissing rain and you will be arriving soaked from head to toe. Not ideal for most. Yeh if you can shower at work then great, but then you've still got wet clothes you need to dry.

I'm very lucky that I have a 5 minute ride to work, all downhill, so unless the weather is biblical, I don't really have an excuse for taking the car.

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 hours ago

Yeah. It's impracticable for many jobs but it would be a shame to reject cycling out of hand because of potential weather issues.

I just wear bike shorts and jersey whatever the weather. I have work pants and shirt that I change into in the restrooms at work. There's no shower. I have wet wipes and a little hand towel.

It's pretty rare that it's raining heavily enough for long enough that I can't get to work between downpours.

By far the most important thing is mud gards on your wheels.

As I said, it's not for everyone but I suspect that it's not actually prohibitive for most people.

[–] NewNewAccount@lemmy.world 9 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

I'm very lucky that I have a 5 minute ride to work, all downhill

That ride home though.

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[–] letsgo@lemm.ee 23 points 19 hours ago (5 children)

A bicycle gives you freedom of lightweight activities within a few miles of your home. You want to play baritone sax in the band 25 miles away? It's not happening with a bike.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 8 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (2 children)

I've got a cargo e-bike that could handle a 50-mile round trip with a baritone sax just fine.

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 10 hours ago

Team cargo bike!

I also have a cargo bike, the cannondale cargowagen which is a long tail format. This morning I used it to drop my 2x kids at day care and head in to the Library where I am now. Yesterday we went to the beach which was a round trip of 44km or so. It's just magnificent honestly.

The furthest I've gone in a day with the kids is 54km. I estimate one battery would get us 70km, somewhat shy of the 50mi / ~80km round trip you mentioned. Mine does have a slot for a second battery though, which I don't have.

I get that it's not for everyone, but for my uses a cargo bike is perfect. The pinnacle of human transport in 2025.

[–] Jolteon@lemmy.zip 0 points 5 hours ago

A cargo e-bike is basically just an electric moped.

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