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Just wanted to prove that political diversity ain't dead. Remember, don't downvote for disagreements.

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[–] Lauchs@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I think on the Left we have a "virtuous" cycle/feedback loop that results in increasingly outlandish positions.

Essentially, for most people there's a serotonin feedback when people upvote, applaud, reteeet etc. People, responding to incentives like anyone else shift their online discourse to match.

Similarly, even beyond the positive feedback, on thr Left no one wants to be a white cis male contradicting the feelings, emotions or arguments of a POC or LGBTQ+ person.

The Right doesn't really have this problem as the Far right opinions are generally understood to be reprehensible to most people so those movements have evolved to work on dog whistles etc.

It's a structural issue but one that puts us out of touch with the mainstream (consider defund the police, transgender athletes or immigration until we were getting murdered in the polls and it was too late to do anything.)

[–] gravityowl@lemm.ee 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

on the Left we

Where on "the Left"?

no one wants to be a white cis male contradicting the feelings, emotions or arguments of a POC or LGBTQ+ person

Maybe liberals don't. And I wouldn't consider them to be on the left.

Why would you want to police emotions or feelings of others?

Arguments on the other hand should be based on logic. And as long as you're respectful, one can disagree.

Your attempt at making all these different scenarios look the same, makes me question your position and honesty in this conversation

The Right doesn't really have this problem as the Far right opinions are generally understood to be reprehensible to most people

This is just purely false and inaccurate. There are plenty of people who agree with far right talking points

Edit: why was I not surprised to see that you are one of those "leftist" (read liberal) who is fine with the Palestinian genocide as long as it's your team that carries out the genocide?

THAT is why we have to be careful. Precisely because of fake allies like you, who say they are on your side while condoning a genocide behind your back.

But sure, talk again of "virtuosity tests" and the "Left"...

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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Humans aren’t worth it.

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[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (11 children)

I'm generally leaning towards progressive or left-wing ideas, but with a few exceptions.

  • While I support the goals of diversity, equity, and inclusion, I believe that DEI initiatives are highly susceptible to exploitation because of the widespread and largely uncritical public support of the concept (or even just the abbreviation) with little regard to the implementation; and by tokenizing ethnicity, gender, and identity, it is at risk of doing what it was meant to prevent.
  • I believe that law enforcement is a deeply flawed system to say the least, but ultimately necessary because the alternatives are lawlessness or ineffectual systems. This is of course colored by my European perspective where guns and driver's licenses aren't handed out like candy.
  • The "tolerance is a social contract" mentality is hurting society. A person who experiences rejection and exclusion from progressive communities for voicing "intolerant" opinions will not be interested in reconciliation, and will inevitably fall in with a more radical group where they experience acceptance and belonging, where they will never be exposed to different ideas and their views will never be challenged. Integration should be sought whenever reasonable.

The last point is especially important to me. I grew up in a fairly conservative environment, and it took me a lot of conscious effort to un-learn my prejudices and learn acceptance. But whenever I get downvoted and shouted down for voicing an opinion that aligns with conservatives, or simply isn't "leftist" enough, it makes me want to distance myself from "leftist" ideology and adds to my disillusionment.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Hey dude, I just wanted to let you know there is an option in your settings so you don't see upvotes or downvotes.

Lemmy (AFAIK) doesn't even show you your total upvotes (karma... whatever it's called) by default either. None of these imaginary points fucking matter.

So why don't you do yourself a favor and uncheck these boxes and not give a fuck what others think about your comment.

I know I have.

(Lemmy is rad as fuck)

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 4 days ago (3 children)

But whenever I get downvoted and shouted down for voicing an opinion that aligns with conservatives, or simply isn't "leftist" enough, it makes me want to distance myself from "leftist" ideology and adds to my disillusionment.

Why does disillusionment with the people involved in a movement influence your opinion on the ideals behind the movement?

Should the idea itself be bigger than the people that espouse it? If empathy and compassion are worthy goals, you don't just give up on them because other folk don't display them. If rejecting sexism is a worthy goal, you don't dial up the sexism because some folk think you don't go far enough in rejecting it.

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[–] araneae@beehaw.org 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Its going to take hundreds or thousands of years to achieve A Better World and not three back-to-back election cycles that are shutouts for the right, nor one or two color revolutions. All of time since the French Revolution and the Enlightenement has been the blink of an eye in historical terms.

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[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (5 children)

I am progressive as heck, but wow the Republicans fixed the DMV here by running it like a business. Not every part of government is amenable to that (which is where they go wrong) but some departments really can.

Also I am pro choice very much so, but personally wouldn't have, and didn't have, any abortion, I don't like it, find it horrifying. Like, my personal choice was hell no. I understand that the consequences of prohibiting abortion are much, much more damaging than allowing them, and do also think the existing woman has more rights than the potential person so maybe that isn't a political difference.

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