It's more true to say that you can't find a better life if you don't continue living. But that's not a guarantee that you can.
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Survivorship bias. In this case also quite literally?
You're not wrong but fuckin hell, that's one way to put it.
That's the spirit!
(but you're right of course)
Because of the way comments are ordered, I thought for a second that you were replying to the guy saying "being a ghost might be fun too"
indeed, sometimes your reward for perseverance is more suffering!
Being a ghost might be fun too. But I have no rush :)
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I do believe this was made with best intentions but it has major "just be happy" energy and is made from a position of privilege.
Just getting a therapist for example is a huge battle. Having supportive friends is not ubiquitous. Changing jobs is risky and in certain financial circumstances almost impossible, especially with dependents.
That said I approve of the message that without living there is no possibility of things getting better. My advice is to focus on small maybe even tiny victories daily making lifestyle changes where possible.
I respectfully disagree. Its thesis is simply that you can have a better life if you stay alive. The "proof" is simply all the changes the artist went through in order to find a better life. The changes aren't supposed to be a recipe on how to make your life better - I don't think the artist is telling people to divorce their spouses. There isn't anything "just be happy" about getting a divorce.
Fair enough, I think yours is also a valid interpretation.
I just want to clarify: with "just be happy" energy, I meant the tendency of people to suggest seemingly simple fixes to others struggling with mental health. Even, if they work for oneself and even if it works statistically (for example sport is a good habit against depression), it feels like talking the problem down. But that is highly subjective of course.
Yeah. That makes sense. It is definitely a real problem.
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Ok so if I can't afford to find even a simple therapist finding a good one lol !
Always those with money giving life advice.
https://openpathcollective.org/ provides a long list of therapists that work on an affordable, sliding scale
US only and still 30$ to 70$ per session !
Well ig you can find a good friend or a crack head to vent to if nothing else works out. Anyway, hope things work out for you in case you are in need of one.
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They think they have figured out some other secret other than freedom to make mistakes because they have the financial backing to make them is what sets them apart.
Life is full of people thinking that if other follow their exact steps it will work without realizing the things they have differently, such as money and resources, even just skills or biological quirks, do make quite the difference in being able to followed.
I'm not against them sharing it worked for them but that's as far as I feel it goes.
Life is also full of people thinking that if others followed their exact steps there would be no way they could turn their life around. They're often just as wrong.
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There are almost always ways to get help if needed. You just have to want to find it and be willing to accept what help is given.
Just take the money from the rich. And if you are hungry eat the rich.
Oo-de-lally!
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Sooo.... Pushed a huge reset button on their relationships and...
I still don't get this. This kind of advice doesn't exactly work for anyone but the person speaking. No one can exactly follow the life of another as we are all completely different.
I guess the point that you have some level of free will and can make personal choices is new to some people but that isn't a fix and doesn't really resolve anything for depression.
It's trying a different tactic to handling life but it negates what was causing them misery in the first place. Which is the monotony of life itself to a degree.
This tosses all that in favor of denying finding purpose for just exploding your existence to see if you can build it new in a way that might make you happy but likely will need another reset when it stops working.
I just don't get it.
I don’t think this is advice as much as it is a story. The advice is “find a better life, whatever that life is.”
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You're right. But if someone I care about is choosing between suicide and explode their relationships, I hope they choose explode their relationships. I'll be there when they figure out whatever is next. (I know because I have been for someone who did. I'm not delighted with how they handled things, but I'm glad I still have them.)
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Does everything have to apply 1:1 to your own life for you to be able to take something useful from somebody else's story?
Lemmy people are not happy because this guy is
Non-depressed Lemmy users when depressed people act depressed:
Misery likes company, not perspective. Fuck happiness, yeah?
People do prefer company to being told. I lost my brother to suicide, really messed me up bad. I did some volunteer work on a suicide prevention service, and people really just want a little bit of your time in the immediate sense, and social support structure long term. Most people have this with families, but it can get really bad when that falls apart due to anything negative in that space of their life.
I know the saying is supposed to mean ''you'd rather make other people miserable than work on yourself'' but in a social sense, company works a lot better than telling someone it's not working and walking away.
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I think honestly another way to put it is that pain and suffering are merely unpleasant signals intended to actually prevent you from dying. Death itself is a lovecraftian horror.
I think I'll take the unpleasant signals.
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