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Ye Power Trippin' Bastards

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This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.

Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.


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I'm gonna get real with you folks, we've had way too many of these posts recently. I've been reflecting on this topic a lot the past few days. For me personally, I couldn't care less about my gender identity. But just because that's true for me, doesn't make that true for everyone.

The beauty of the fediverse is that if you don't like the way a particular instance or community is moderated you can simply choose another to hang out on, or create your own.

Blajah has made it pretty clear by now they will ban anyone who argues against the validity of xenogenders, in order to create a safe space for those folks. That's fair enough imo.

Safe spaces should be respected, and Blajah's admins/mods do not deserve abuse for creating and maintaining those spaces.

I can completely understand why Blajah users don't want to have to constantly argue with external users about the validity of their chosen identities. Bans are one way Blajah has decided to manage that problem so that their users can experience lemmy in relative peace and safety. While it is a blunt tool and I have my reservations about preemptive bans, there are not many other options for @ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone, other than defederation from most instances. That would be a terrible outcome for the fediverse as a whole.

In order to help Blajah to maintain their safe space, I would like to propose, if @db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com agrees and community sentiment is positive:

  • that we no longer accept posts about this topic in this community; and
  • we also remove previous posts on this topic from the community.

That's all folks, have at 'er.

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[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 22 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (18 children)

I think you're doing the right thing. The trolls are really stepping up, which is obvious in this thread. I'm trying to share it a lot because if you really read it and understand the process of what they're doing, you'll save yourself a lot of time and energy.

“Once we isolate key people, we look for people we know are in their upstream – people that they read posts from, but who themselves are less influential. We then either start flame wars with bots to derail the conversations that are influencing influential people, or else send off specific tasks for sockpuppets (changing this wording of an idea here; cause an ideological split there; etc).”

https://archive.is/PoUMo

Edit: I forgot to add this part of the thread:

The goal is to keep opinions we don't want fragmented and from coalescing in to a single voice for long enough that the memes we do want can,...

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 16 points 11 hours ago (21 children)

The trolls are really stepping up, which is obvious in this thread.

That stood out to me too. A ton of people jumped in with instantly inflammatory takes which seem almost tailor-made to continue this ridiculous dispute.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 9 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (5 children)

It's not just here in this community, it's throughout the all page. The fediverse is worrying some people and it's showing.

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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

As a blahaj'r, I would deeply appreciate this.

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[–] anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 10 hours ago (5 children)

I have a related question:

Where do the users who get banned from YPTB go, when they eventually get banned from YPTB?

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 9 points 10 hours ago

I think it would be funny if there was a rule that the only way to get banned from YPTB was by coming in and saying "well, it's the moderators' community, so they can really do anything they want and you're wrong for disagreeing with them in any way." And then that person could get banned with reason "Okey dokey then."

I don't think it's actually a good idea. Freedom to say whatever in YPTB, even if you're being kind of obnoxious about it, seems important, and imitating bad behavior to make a point is still bad behavior. I just think it would be funny.

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[–] lemonmelon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 10 hours ago (4 children)

Proposing a very specific limit on posts referring mod/admin actions taken against users on LBZ that directly fall afoul of their instance rules regarding very specific gatekeeping might have some value. The subject has been hashed and re-hashed too fucking much. Their rules are their rules, breaking those rules on the instance is clear YDI. Breaking those rules elsewhere and having action taken against you is arguably PTB. I'm in favor of the idea of putting that on wax.

Purging previous discussion is no good, and even the proposal, coming from a community mod as it does, rubs me the wrong way. It shouldn't, because you have just as much right to propose a change as any other community member, but it puts me on edge.

There is value in what's been said already, even if some of it is highly disagreeable. Suggesting removal of that record for any reason invites future discussion of the same, IMO. Not everyone who will ever be a member of this community is a member now. If we're going to consider making a rule about this whole mess, best to leave the roadmap that led us here intact.

Potential yes to a well-defined rule of specific, narrow scope. Hard, hard no to retroactive application of that rule.

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[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 21 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

I think previous posts should remain up, to preserve the discussion in that post, but I understand why you don't want any further posts about this.

I think everyone has shared their views on the topic already.

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[–] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 14 points 11 hours ago

I’ve made my take on the whole xenogender argument clear elsewhere so I won’t rehash it here. From an administration perspective I understand your thought process.

I would say leave previous posts up, as it is a very real part of the experience of the fediverse and should remain documented. I would also find it reasonable to limit further posts on the subject.

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 10 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

In fact I thought this was already a rule.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 6 points 10 hours ago

i did too i was surprised at the recent resurgence

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[–] SoupBrick@pawb.social 9 points 11 hours ago

I appreciate this post, really helps me fill out my block list. It is sad that people cannot just let others live as they want.

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