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[–] x4740N@lemm.ee 6 points 8 hours ago

Buy an ecotank printer, they're more expensive initially but that's because they actually make you pay for the printer

Ecotank's use liquid ink that you fill in tanks instead of cartridges

There's no way they can check the ink on ecotank printers

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 17 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (2 children)

We seriously need a FOSS+FOSH printer

I have even thought of some names:

  • Gutenberg
  • Aldus
  • Manutius
[–] hera@feddit.uk 9 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

It's really surprising this doesn't already exist. It's such a hated piece of tech, I would have thought someome would have thought they could do better! I don't know enough to do it myself but I'd sure as hell support a project to do it!

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

In my experience, people who are aware of open source and the like are also people who only print something when they absolutely HAVE to.

[–] DesertHermit@lemmy.world 6 points 16 hours ago

It's not, though. Printers are actually fairly expensive to manufacture, and they're sold heavily subsidized by the companies in order to sell you a decade of printer cartridges where you make up for that loss. It was the first tech subscription model.

If someone made and sold a shitty inkjet printer at cost, the last time I saw something written up on this years ago, it was several times more than the current cost of printers. And consumers are stupid, so they will go for the immediate cheap thing and get locked in to buying proprietary cartridges rather than invest in saving money long term.

What we need is a Graphine OS for existing printers. A repo of firmware updates that anyone can install to jailbreak a handfull of widely sold printers to allow printing every drop of ink, and DIY refills. Let's be real, we're not a huge part of their market, so IMO the gains are to exist like wolves preying on the occasional sheep, rather than be wolves that try to evolve thumbs and force everyone to learn how to cook and go shopping in order to eat.

[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago

It will cost too much because they can't get back R&D money back via sales of proprietary ink and spare parts, plus competitors will immediately take advantage of your improvements

Like a prusa (open source 3d printer) costs like 3 bambulab (walled garden closed source 3d printer that uses a fork of prusa slicer)

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

1000x this.

We've got all this figured out for 3D printers with all kinds of cool tools to make the job easier, and yet, take away a dimension and there's crickets?

The hell?

Let's make a 3D printable 2D printer.

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago

Or a modular printer

[–] Rin@lemm.ee 35 points 22 hours ago (2 children)
[–] banazir@lemmy.ml 8 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Unironically, this is why RMS was radicalized.

[–] meme_historian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 7 hours ago

RMS: gestures at GCC and the whole GNU/Linux ecosystem Look man, all I wanted to do was to print this letter to my ma...

[–] gutter_angel@lemm.ee 10 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

i came across this explanation of it, haven't verified it directly but he seems to make good content:

https://youtube.com/shorts/ZX8OaZZDlM8

he says theres identification each time you print using the yellow ink, and basically is a counterfeit currency countermeasure

id kill to have a foss print setup though

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 8 hours ago

It's a feature that can be turned on the confidential documents but I don't think it's actually on by default.

You can check for it anyway, just print a document then attempt to scan it, if it's got the track marks it will refuse to scan because one of the things the track marks do is block scanning, although you can still take a photo of it because the camera probably won't be able to see the track marks so it's not 100% secure. In fact it's largely considered an obsolete security method these days, along with pink flimsies.

[–] Rin@lemm.ee 2 points 13 hours ago

I know about the yellow dot thingy. Literally metadata on paper for no reason imo. I highly doubt a person could make a realistic fake through the use of a conventional printer.

In the UK, we don't even have paper money anymore, it's plastic... Maybe it's more of a USA skill issue, too?

[–] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 23 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

I really hope Brother is telling the truth!

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 11 points 18 hours ago

Same. My printer works fine, and I recently replaced my toner (went genuine because I found a decent deal), so I probably won't need another anytime soon.

That said, I will no longer be recommending them until this is cleared up. I won't be recommending against them though, because I don't know of a better company, but I'll just recommend people go to their local library or print shop or something and not deal with having a printer at home.

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[–] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm curious how this will go down in Australia. Seems like a pretty solid slam dunk refund, oh the product doesn't work as advertised anymore?

Cool, I've had this for 5 years and now I'd also like a full refund under Australian Consumer Law.

Motherfuckers.

(I don't actually own a printer)

[–] JackFrostNCola@lemmy.world 8 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I imagine they have some stupid note or sticker somewhere saying "to avoid damaging your printer only use genuine Brother replacement cartridges".
Then all they have to say is "we patched a bug where unverified 3rd party ink cartriges could erroneously be used and cause malfunction or damage to the product."

[–] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 6 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I found this help article where they say "Although not all non-genuine supplies may cause quality issues".

They said they recommend using theirs, but up until this they didn't say you couldn't.

https://support.brother.com/g/b/sp/faqend.aspx?c=us_ot&lang=en&prod=dcpl2647dw_us&faqid=faq00000184_002

Plus, it's been universally understood that you have been able to use third-party cartridges. I really think if you're persistent enough, you'd get a refund in Australia. Because else (in Victoria at least) you could take them to VCAT for like $70, which will cost them wayyy more in lawyer expenses than the price of a refund.

This is not legal advice, but I reckon a refund under Australian Consumer Law is extremely doable if they go down this path (for existing printers).

[–] JackFrostNCola@lemmy.world 4 points 20 hours ago

Yeah interesting find, and i agree plus you can always sic the ACCC onto them if they start being painful

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[–] MisanthropiCynic@lemm.ee 6 points 21 hours ago

They deny it was the firmware update. But not that something else has happened

I’ve had issues with colour but not B&W

[–] wowwoweowza@lemmy.world 6 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

So… when there is some controversy over an article in Lemmy it gets the strike though? How did this evolve?

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 24 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

If you read the article:

We are aware of the recent false claims suggesting that a Brother firmware update may have restricted the use of third-party ink cartridges. Please be assured that Brother firmware updates do not block the use of third-party ink in our machines.

So there’s no reason to leave an inflammatory and likely wrong title unchanged or otherwise without notation. The title is completely readable. I’m all for wrong information being flagged, and a strikethrough is a fine method of doing so.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 5 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

We don't know if it's wrong though, we just have a statement from the company claiming it is. Now it's on the community to prove it.

It's potentially wrong. I guess we'll see in the coming weeks as people try to prove it one way or another.

That said, the allegation that old firmware isn't accessible is easy to verify and very troubling for Brother if true (what are they hiding?).

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 7 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

There is no official report of Brother doing what it’s accused of. Only a couple people having issues with a few cartridges, no analysis of whether the flaw was in the third party cartridge or an actual firmware issue, but we should get out the pitchforks and torches and leave a completely unproven statement up? I completely disagree. There’s too much BS passed off as objective truth as it is.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

One or two reports could be chalked up to noise. Rossmann provided much more than that. I'm not saying he's right, I'm just saying there's sufficient evidence that I'm not just going to accept "nope, we don't do that."

We certainly need more evidence, and hopefully Rossmann's video reaches enough people to get it, one way or another. He has demonstrated admitting when he is wrong, and he has also demonstrated doing the research.

I doubt this is the last we hear about this, and I sincerely hope Brother is redeemed.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I am in no way suggesting we shouldn’t be wary and not investigate. Crappy 3rd party engineering could be an issue. Placing a declarative title with no qualification as truth (because nobody reads the article) despite the quote from the corporation itself denying it in the article shouldn’t be done. Like I said, too much of that happening these days.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Crappy 3rd party engineering could be an issue.

Sure. However, I've seen allegations that swapping chips worked for one person and failed for another. That needs to be investigated.

too much of that happening these days

Agreed. Only claim what you have the receipts for. Clickbait blows.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

Yes…the engineering could have been in the chip.

The rest, we’re on the same page.

[–] wowwoweowza@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago

Totally agree. Just the first time I have seen the notation.

[–] bss03@infosec.pub 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I see editability as generally an improvement, especially since the older versions are still visible with a couple of clicks. Reddit titles are not editable. Tweets used to be uneditable; toots are.

[–] T156@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

The original rationale for not having editing, at least on Reddit and Twitter, was concerns that someone could get a viral post, and then edit it to spam.

That's not an impossible thing with Lemmy, though we're not big enough for it to be worth spamming to, for the most part.

You can edit the title, so if you want to strike through it, go ahead.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

As much as I love the brand, this was just obviously going to happen. It always happens, it's the eventual outcome. All that is needed is one middle manager wanting to get an extra bones to come up with some short sighted idea that will make a little extra money in the short run and possibly bankrupt the company in the long term.

See Boeing, see Intel, see....

The only way to not have this happen is to get open source hardware. The open source eco system is amazing already but we need more focus on that, hardware. CPU's, Computers, printers, phones, everything

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[–] jaxxed@lemmy.ml 44 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"You were supposed to be the one"

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