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    [–] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 79 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

    My favourite thing about updates on my work Mac is when you say 'try in one hour' thinking it'll ask you then an hour later it aggressively closes your programs. I use Linux, Mac and Windows regularly and Mac has by far the worst update experience out of all of them imo.

    [–] CameronDev@programming.dev 50 points 22 hours ago

    I've clicked the "install updates tonight" button a bunch of times, it consistently fails to update and then I have to force it to update the next morning. Incredibly poor experience.

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    [–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 54 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (4 children)

    You can also remove the fr*nch language pack via rm -fr /

    But in all seriosity, i tried to install Linux dual-boot with Windows on my dad's computer last weekend, and it broke the windows install because it doesn't support bitlocker (apparently). Maybe i could have gotten it to work, but i abandoned the project after the first failed attempt. Still a bit salty about that. Especially since it was meant to be a demonstration how "quick and easy" installing Linux nowadays supposedly is.

    [–] mrvictory1@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago

    I was installing Linux on sb else's PC, to skip the Bitlocker warning I had to boot Windows, use cmd to assign drive letters to recovery partitions and disable bitlocker on them, again from cmd. The owner was confused because they had disabled bitlocker on C: but got Bitlocker warning on Linux installer anyways, I was looking at stackoverflow threads to find the right commands right next to the owner because I hadn't used Windows for years and forgot how to do things lol. Fun times.

    [–] arschflugkoerper@feddit.org 29 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

    The best way to dual boot windows and linux is with separate drives, not partitions imo.

    [–] tempest@lemmy.ca 25 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

    You're missing the last step, throw out the windows drive.

    [–] arschflugkoerper@feddit.org 7 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

    Sounds great in theory, but there are still things that only work on windows for me.

    [–] TwilightKiddy@programming.dev 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

    If something does not work, mostly it either has a kernel level anticheat or it's Adobe. I just learned to live without these, I think it's for the best. You can even do VR on Linux nowadays!

    [–] arschflugkoerper@feddit.org 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

    VR runs terribly on linux and I donβ€˜t want to coinflip whether or not my racing wheel works.

    Additionally if my friends want to play something with anticheat I am not going to say no. Keeping a rarely used Windows Installation is worth it to me.

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    [–] Illecors@lemmy.cafe 16 points 22 hours ago

    It is quick and easy. Maintaining any other OS side by side is always a bigger ordeal than not doing it. It breaks the other way around as well - If you were running some linux distro and then tried dual booting by installing windows - no way you'd be able to boot into linux without extra tweaking.

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    [–] Comtief@lemm.ee 48 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

    Linux: i can't stop dumb users (me) completely destroying everything with a bad console command

    [–] ugh@lemmy.world 7 points 13 hours ago

    I did this. Luckily, nothing was lost because I was only using it to learn at the time. It oddly boosted my confidence because if I could break the OS, I could learn how to use it.

    [–] palordrolap@fedia.io 20 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

    I'm pretty sure that if you use elevated privileges to run commands you don't understand, you can break Windows just as much as you can break Linux. Windows might pop up an extra "Are you sure?" box or two though. It's been a while since I did anything on that OS.

    [–] Comtief@lemm.ee 4 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

    You can, but on windows there is no need usually to run these kind of commands.

    What happened was that years ago I was trying out Ubuntu but didn't like the UI, so I followed some steps from someone to replace the gnome or whatever with something else (kde?), but then the ui completely broke down.

    Given how fickle that system is in Ubuntu, I was probably using legit sources for the commands, but they were not fully up to date and something went wrong.

    Ironically, something similar happened lately on my Ubuntu virtual machine, where the file explorer has rendering issues, but tbh I think this time it was because the virtual machine disk space became full mid update, so kind of my bad too.

    The only thing keeping me in windows these days is that I just really like the UI, but I think next time I need to format (which admittedly might be year or two from now) I might move to GraphyOS anyway.

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    [–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 21 points 22 hours ago (8 children)

    A great learning experience to not copy paste commands yoj don't understand.

    [–] Frigid@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

    Please, I don't understand a single command I'm putting in. I'm just copying whatever some nerd posted on a message board.

    [–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 13 points 19 hours ago (1 children)
    [–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

    Nice, now your computer is mining crypto for someone else or part of a botnet.

    [–] InnerScientist@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago

    Nice, now your computer is mining crypto for someone else and part of a botnet.

    Ftfy

    [–] NightmareQueenJune@lemmy.world 10 points 20 hours ago (7 children)

    But that's in my experience sadly very necessary especially in the beginning when you are getting into Linux. So getting into Linux has quite a steep learning curve because not knowing what you are copy pasting can have terrible consequences, but understanding everything before you copy paste is very demanding.
    When out comes to my main rig, i never had the experience of everything just working out of the box. There was always something that required me searching for obscure fixes, hoping for the best.

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    [–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 156 points 1 day ago (5 children)
    [–] groet@feddit.org 115 points 1 day ago (8 children)

    It could. It just doesn't want to. Why would it? Its your computer.

    If you want to delete / including the EFI partition turning your machine into a paperweight you should be allowed to do so.

    [–] MsPenguinette@lemmy.world 45 points 1 day ago (4 children)

    I don't want my mom to be able to turn her computer into a paperweight...

    [–] LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 87 points 1 day ago (8 children)

    Don't give her sudo permission then.

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    [–] LinyosT@sopuli.xyz 17 points 22 hours ago

    While that is possible. You do have to go out of your way to do that in ways a typical user wouldn’t.

    Aside from that like others have said. Just don’t give sudo perms and have them use Flatpak.

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    [–] blackjam_alex@lemmy.world 105 points 1 day ago (20 children)

    Installing old Linux applications IS a problem. They're available only if someone repackaged them for newer distros. If not they can't run anymore because of dependencies mismatch.

    [–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 2 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

    nix solved this by modifying LD_LIBRARY_PATH to point to the desired dependency and/or modifying the binary itself.

    Anti Commercial-AI license

    [–] unhrpetby@sh.itjust.works 43 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    This is a good reason for static linking. All the dependencies are built into the binary, meaning it is more portable and future proof.

    We don't need flatpak for this!

    [–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 24 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

    And harder to fix vulnerabilities in a linked library, and more bloat in both storage space and memory used.

    Trade-offs!

    [–] unhrpetby@sh.itjust.works 28 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

    I'll take a program that isn't getting updates anymore or simply wasnt working in my modified environment using slightly more ram and storage over it not working at all.

    I have firsthand experience with videogames made for one flavor of Linux not working on my machine due to dependency hell.

    [–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 4 points 13 hours ago

    For occasional programs, or things like games, I'll agree. For most software I use, no thanks.

    [–] crmsnbleyd@sopuli.xyz 36 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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    [–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 14 points 22 hours ago (5 children)

    Speaking of not being able to delete system apps, a friend of mine with a Pixel phone says Google Play cannot be uninstalled from it. Anybody know for sure?

    [–] Stomata@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 hours ago

    On adb use pm uninstall than package name. there is something called universal android debloter. Also you can use shizuku with canta to remove it.

    [–] nebulaone@lemmy.world 8 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

    You can via adb ( android debug bridge ) , no root needed, but you need a pc or shizuku. Although if he has a pixel device he should just install GrapheneOS imo. Edit: puxel -> pixel

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    [–] Lifter@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

    Neither can the Chrome or Youtube apps, among others...

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