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We’ve accidentally ~~bread~~ (lol) bred some dogs for a lot of things, like not being able to properly breathe, eyes popping out, weird joint shit, and being riddled with cancer.
Edit: one might even say that some breeds are quite akin to deli meats - that is to say, they’re often in bread
Most dog food is filled with carbs, because it's cheaper. Just like carbs are causing human obesity it's causing canine obesity.
It's not a species appropriate diet for dogs. Just like humans get addicted to carbs so do dogs (that's why it's a great training tool/treat)
The poison is in the portion. Humans have lived off carbs for many years. Dogs evolved around humans to be able to digest our starchy leftover foods. I give my dog a spoonful of my porridge or brown rice and he's fine. I stop him eating whole slices of pizza we find on walkies as its too much.
Adding to this. I started keto 2ish months ago, so no carbs or sugar. (Sub 20g a day is my focus). I've lost 25lbs, and 4-5 pants sizes by just eating different. Haven't even started working out yet. It's clearly carbs and sugar that are horrid for our bodies. I went to the buffet for ayce the other day, ate 6 plates and didn't feel like crap. Normally I'd have 3 maybe 4 and feel like a massive pile of bloated garbage for hours
For my dog, I look for anyone without corn. I never feed her the same dog food bag after bag, she never gets upset stomachs, can easily adapt to new foods without sensitivity issues and all treats are 1 ingredient. Liver, or duck breast or pig ear. No 'milk bones' or other filler foods. She's lean like a dog should be.
Out of curiosity have you made the correlation that by strictly controlling your diet it’s actually calories you’re restricting which is causing the weight loss?
Oh I'm very much aware my lower calories play a huge factor in my weight loss, probably moreso then keto itself but my energy levels are actually higher on Leto then when I was eating carbs. After meals I would be slow and sluggish, wanting a nap. Now with no carbs and increased fat intake, I wake up earlier, feel energized right away and have next to no issues in my daily tasks or wanting random naps throughout the day.
Keto has made me feel physically better all around and the fats are much easier to process then carbs. No question about that. I do eat more frequently though.
Let me introduce you to the The Carbohydrate-Insulin Model of Obesity - Beyond “Calories In, Calories Out”: https://doi.org/10.1001/jamainternmed.2018.2933 - Full Paper Here
TLDR: Insulin is the cause of almost all obesity you see. Carbohydrates drive blood sugar, blood sugar drives insulin, insulin drives weight gain. As a good example - T1Ds who don't take their insulin wont gain weight, no matter how much they eat.
T1D who don’t take their insulin won’t gain weight because of vomiting and dying from diabetic ketoacidosis. Sorry, but is is a horrible example and whoever has DM type 1, please take your insulin. People are really dying from DKA and while it is hard to prevent some factors triggering DKA, compliance with insulin is definitely within our control.
Insulin (and to be more precise it’s baseline level and spikes) is one of the obesitygenic factors. But there are much more other factors there too, and reducing such complex multifactorial disease as obesity to insulin only is incorrect.
Otherwise good paper and thank you for adding full article!
my wife cannot lose weight with anything even close to a simple carb. She can have high fiber veg in her diet and super low sugar fruit (lemon, lime, avocado) but that is it. fat and protein seem to not be an issue. she does have low thyroid though.
Does this mean she is finding success avoiding carbs? If she is having trouble I recommend getting a CGM and using the biofeedback to keep the line flat - it's an amazing diet tool and I cannot recommend it enough.
some but not enough. She has only had significant results from extreme things like a medical liquid diet she was on and the cabbage soup one. even then going back to anything approaching a normal diet, even with low calories, results in gain. She also has medical issues that make to much fat or things like cabbage I think because of sulfur content. We actually have this annoying thing where her thyroid tests have her in normal range but just barely into it and she has symptoms of low like the weight, being cold, hair loss, dry skin, puffy face, etc. but the doctor won't increase her thyroid prescription but is giving her one for those new weight loss drugs (which are more expensive and not working for her). We are american so a non functional medical system is par for the course.
I just made a post about the carbohydrate-insulin model of obesity https://hackertalks.com/post/7617450 it might be helpful for her.
If she can tolerate a ketogenic diet that might be a option to explore.
unfortunately fat is an issue with her liver. She tends to have to do high protein, high fiber.
glad your finding success with keto!