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I mean, there are two side of the argument.

Pragmatically, fleeing would save your life.

But ethically, it feels cowardly. (I'm not calling anyone a "coward", its just how I internally feel about such an act, if I were the one doing it)

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[–] insomniac_lemon@lemmy.cafe 6 points 6 days ago

Generally, I feel like it depends on how viable it seems to fix. Is this the same issue that people marched about 50+ years ago?

Specific elephant in the room, what possible fix within 2-4 decades is there when the right has most of the keys including a stacked supreme court?

Personally, I can't really fight or leave. I am nowhere close to anything politically relevant... I have no transportation, income, or ID/passport etc. I am a shut-in with untreated health issues. I'm just letting the days go by.

[–] cattywampas@lemm.ee 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Stay and fight for it. Because what happens if and when shit goes south wherever your new home is? Just keep running?

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Well, apparantly, Lemmy is telling people to immediately flee the US.

So like, I'm just wondering. What happens when every person left-of-center leaves? Do we just leave a bunch of nazis with the entire nuclear arsenal of the US?

[–] Inf_V@kbin.earth 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

me fleeing the US with money I don't have

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

One of the methods of getting a foreign visa (EU countries in particular) requires you to have the equivalent of $500,000 USD to invest in the country. I'm like... bruh, in this economy? 💀

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[–] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago

leave a bunch of nazis with the entire nuclear arsenal of the US?

This

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[–] ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com 5 points 6 days ago

I made a similar post and I feel no answers here on lemmy are satisfactory. They’re either you should have left 8 years ago or fight for (what?) it. At the beginning of this term people yelled fascism and I thought that was silly. Now it feels closer to reality but it’s unclear what is just news making it worse than it is or reality.

Leaving certainly is an option but not an easy one, especially depending on your family situation. I’ve considered both and honestly idk. The people who just yell we should have left a while ago are too ready to jump the gun and probably are keyboard activists who are in fact still here.

Idk, just some thoughts. Idk what to do either but it’s scary.

[–] socsa@piefed.social 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

America will bring down the entire western world. There is no option but to fight.

[–] OprahsedCreature@lemmy.ml -3 points 6 days ago

Is the "Western world" even worth fighting for? Who is included in it? More importantly, who is excluded?

[–] hexagonwin@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You can always help overseas where you're safer.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

How? We can barely have an impact here

The answer depends on the responsibilities you have.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 2 points 6 days ago

I would flee if I could. Its not like the current stuff came and it was like hey im going to start fighting. We have been trying to change course and despite this its been going in the wrong direction. I mean will fight to the last but if my back was not against a wall I would be gone.

[–] L0rdMathias@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 days ago

Don't run away unless it makes you stronger because of it. Once something has been gained, never yield it without a purpose or a strategy - even if that ends up being a bad decision it was at least yours to make.

It is a difficult endeavor to gain new ground; it is nigh impossible to fully recover that which has been lost.

After you have ceded all your land and yielded every advantage, where will you seek shelter and from what will you find strength?

[–] Fondots@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

I don't think there's any easy answer here.

If you stay, are you able and willing to fight and to what degree under which circumstances? What do you have to offer? Will you be more of a liability than an asset? How do you weigh your personal safety and wellbeing or those of your family and friends against the country or world? What do your prospects look like in whatever country you choose to flee to?

[–] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 days ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6tSqGCfoCI (I think some people are using this video in bad faith but the main message still stands)

[–] biegoditch@lemmy.cafe -1 points 6 days ago

Depends. If you want to draft me, fuck off. If invaders come in my neighborhood, I'll be in the wood blowing bombs like my ancestors did when the germans came.

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