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Another deGoogled iPhone (lemmy.world)

submitted 21 hours ago by joelvdc@lemmy.world to c/degoogle@lemmy.ml

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A process that started roughly a year ago with just changing browser and search engine, now feeling that I got somewhere. The journey ended up being more than just degoogle, but also demetaing and taking more control over my data and privacy.

Before and after picture with notes:

Chrome -> Zen browser (Firefox on iOS)

Google -> Qwant

Gmail -> Proton Mail

NordVPN -> Proton VPN (I don’t use VPN very often, but have NordVPN through another subscription, now replaced with Proton across my devices)

Google Drive / Photos -> Proton Drive

Google Password Manager -> Proton Pass

Google Authenticator -> Proton Pass / Ente (Ente Auth is only used to store my 2FA keys for the Proton account, other keys are stored in Proton Pass)

Google Translator -> DeepL

YouTube -> FreeTube (Unwatched on iOS)

Google Maps -> Magic Earth (OSM on desktop)

WhatsApp -> Signal

Notion -> Anytype

Keep / Notes -> Notesnook

X -> Mastodon / Bluesky

Reddit -> Lemmy (Voyager on iOS, dreaming of an eventual complete migration)

Instagram -> Pixelfed

Facebook -> stopped using

Windows 11 -> Ubuntu (Only personal laptop, work laptop still windows)

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[–] sonalder@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 hour ago

Try Impressia for PixelFed

[–] FreakinSteve@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago

Saving this post. I have been deGoogling as much as I can but havent done the research to find some of these options. Thanks

[–] EuropeanPrimate@lemm.ee 24 points 11 hours ago (7 children)

I want to use Signal but can’t convince everyone to get on it

[–] FreakinSteve@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago

The US DoD uses it

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[–] pewpew@feddit.it 62 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Nice, now de-Apple it

[–] admin@sh.itjust.works 29 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

And then de-Proton it.

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 50 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

an imperfect ally is not an enemy

[–] ohshit604@sh.itjust.works 17 points 14 hours ago

This right bloody here, you have to make sacrifices for peace-of-mind otherwise you’ll live your life paranoid on the smallest of things.

One persons opinions don’t suddenly make a service unusable or unreliable.

[–] Biskii@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

This is my thing. I've ditched all of proton for the obvious reason, but aside from that, I no longer want everything under one umbrella. Convenience has shown it comes at too great of a cost

[–] admin@sh.itjust.works 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I was just about to pay for their service, started a new LLC so that was gonna be a good excuse to start supporting them and then his CEO shows his true colors.

I have been happily supporting Tuta instead. Is a bit slow but the aliases and emails work great.

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Did the CEO do anything to bother you other than tweet that Slater was a good appointment by Trump? If not, can you explain what the problem is with Slater as a nominee?

[–] admin@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

When the CEOs political preferences get lousy enough or attracted as the necessary amount of attention to make it to a headline, some customers will turn away.

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but the thing that bothers you about the CEO is that other people are annoyed by the CEO's tweet?

Edit: honestly I don't even understand what's politically problematic about his tweet. One of the few ways we can encourage the Dems to improve is by voicing our approval on when the GOP actually does something right.

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[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

which of these are apple?

[–] pewpew@feddit.it 8 points 10 hours ago

The iPhone

[–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 36 points 17 hours ago (8 children)

As predicted, here come all the purity tests.

I know there's no way to definitively prove it, but in my mind Apple is the safer alternative vs. anything Google. I know you can do custom roms and all that, but let's face it: It's a huge pain in the ass. I know, I know, "It's not really"... I beg to differ. I went through my purity phase with degoogled roms and all that. Due to driver inconsistencies, updates breaking things (even the phone part), and the inability to use a lot of "normal" apps, I gave up and went with an iPhone. Apple's business model is to sell you the thing at a higher price, thus reducing the incentive to sell your data or enshittify. Yes, that will degrade over time and I'll reach a threshold at which I'll reevaluate my options. Given the two major choices, I choose the less terrible ecosystem of the two.

I refuse to have any Google or Meta products on my iPhone. I know that makes me lame here, but we should also understand that any normie would never go to all the trouble of OS tinkering. The are a lot more people who want to degoogle vs. the people who understand how to do rom flashing. Criticizing a person's degoogle effort as "not good enough" does nothing but drive people directly into the arms of the very evil we wish to diminish. This is a community to banish Google, not everything backed by a for-profit corporation.

[–] Dreaming_Novaling@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 hours ago

I don't know about the ROMs being a pain in the ass. I did a test run of putting LineageOS on my old Motorola and using adb sucked a little, but once I got it working, it had no issues. I did that so I would know what I was doing for the real purpose of putting GrapheneOS on my Pixel 8a, and they literally had a button on the website that worked like a dream (but only on chromium browser...) and did the process in about 20 mins top. Been using it for almost a year now.

The only issue I've had was Google Messages RCS and banking apps. I can live without the wallet and banking apps, and even then, some banking apps work anyway lol (super long GitHub report list about them). RCS was frustrating, but I think it was caused by not deregistering my number from my old iPhone, as it hasn't conked out again.

I really don't get what wouldn't work outside of that. Maybe it's been a while since you tried android ROMS. Wish I had one as good and debated as GrapheneOS for my Galaxy Tab I just got, but it's so new that there's nothing but a GSI for it...

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Apple already proved they'll roll over for the EU on encryption backdoors.

If it comes down to them selling in the US or not selling in the US, they're going to roll over and do whatever the government demands.

They're all so holding all of your data, metrics, and browsing habits securely in their hands.

When the government demands baggacips data, they're going to hand it over, the same as Google would.

And none of this is ever a problem until the government goes kind of fascist. When browsing privacy subs on Lemmy becomes an act of treason...

Even if I'm not doing anything wrong or illegal, I sure as hell I'm not going to send my data through a VPN that logs and is known to comply with foreign court requests.

You can in fact drive yourself insane trying to stay private and secure, But I do know that trusting a single gigantic monolithic company that operates in a questionable regime to protect you from government entities is a losing battle.

[–] smeg@feddit.uk 1 points 14 minutes ago

Apple already proved they'll roll over for the EU on encryption backdoors.

Did they? They explicitly made a big deal about not doing that for the UK government's request.

[–] Chastity2323@midwest.social 11 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Apple is the safer alternative vs. anything Google

Not really. Research has demonstrated that iOS and Android send very similar types of data even when users explicitly request to opt out. Apple was even so arrogant as to not bother responding to the authors of this paper when they reached out for comment (unlike Google which did reply).

https://www.scss.tcd.ie/doug.leith/apple_google.pdf

iOS is also much more hostile towards 3rd party apps than Android, greatly limiting what they can do. This makes moving to FOSS options harder.

Due to driver inconsistencies, updates breaking things (even the phone part), and the inability to use a lot of "normal" apps

Sounds like you haven't tried modern GrapheneOS with sandboxed Google Play Services. Neither of these are issues for me and I've been using it for years after switching from iOS.

The are a lot more people who want to degoogle vs. the people who understand how to do rom flashing

Flashing GrapheneOS takes like 2 seconds and requires nothing but a desktop/laptop and a browser. If you can read, you can install GrapheneOS with minimal effort.

[–] Franklin@lemmy.ca 22 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

You know our lawmakers have failed when you have to be this concerned about privacy on your own behalf.

it's really shouldn't be this much effort in order to retain your data and I know the argument can be made that you just use services that respect it but without legislation it's incentivized to monetize data which makes it extremely hard to find alternatives that don't.

[–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 12 points 16 hours ago

Agreed; unfortunately, this will always happen as long as money is allowed in politics.

[–] panicnow@lemmy.world 7 points 15 hours ago

My personal choices are slightly different than yours, but I appreciate your comment. You’re clearly an ally while not being a clone. I often tire of discussions about security and privacy—mainly because I am very pragmatic.

Unlike OP I don’t use Proton’s suite, but considered it. Most of what I want Apple provides (Advanced Data Protection, Private Relay, etc) in a form that meets my minimum requirements. Other things that I use (Signal especially) are well-supported on iPhone.

I’ll talk down Apple all day long in the correct context, but I still believe it is a good choice today. I may re-evaluate at some point in the future when the landscape or my needs change. For now I am very happy.

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[–] Petersnowden@lemmy.ml 82 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Don't put all your eggs in one basket (dont use proton for everything)

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

esp since we now know the owner is a fascist

[–] joelvdc@lemmy.world 16 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

I usually tell people the same, this is a decision I will have to live with. I am happy with Proton and also happy to support their growth, hopefully it will go well for a long time.

From the other services I tried, Filen and Ente deserve an honorable mention. I was close to just go Mail Plus + Filen + Ente. But as soon as you do Proton Mail + VPN, you then go with Proton Unlimited and that is what makes the most sense financially.

[–] coldaf@lemmy.world 26 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I recommed Tuta for mails. May be not good as Proton but not American, not from Google and most important, private as Proton.

[–] joelvdc@lemmy.world 12 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I love Tuta as well, they are great. But not being able to use Tuta with thunderbird was a deal breaker for me. Proton is Swiss btw.

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[–] ByroTriz@lemmy.ml 3 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

What's unwatched?

[–] joelvdc@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago

YouTube player app. Open source, no ads, no login, just import your subscriptions and playlists and you're ready to go.

[–] stinerman@midwest.social 3 points 11 hours ago

YouTube -> FreeTube (Unwatched on iOS)

[–] Arcane2077@sh.itjust.works 7 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (3 children)

How you liking Voyager? I’m bouncing between Arctic and Thunder atm, one day I’ll find the perfect lemmy client.

Mlem is competent, but isn’t especially good at anything, and lacks some features the others offer

[–] sam@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

(Not OP)

At the moment I use both mlem and voyager. Personally I find that everyday browsing is a nicer experience using mlem, especially since their recent-ish 2.0 update. Though it's missing many of the fancier features that voyager has (eg drafting posts). The user tagging voyager has is super useful too.

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