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Hey everyone, hope you're doing well. For some time, lemmy's been struggling with donations. For all these years, the lemmy devs, like them or hate them; have been building the software that powers the entirety of the forumverse (that's what i'm calling it, fuck you) so if you have even a dollar/euro/peso/whatever to give, it would be greatly appreciated (by the lemmy devs, and all instance admins!)

Good day to y'all :D

crossposted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/29579005

An open source project the size of Lemmy needs constant work to manage the project, implement new features and fix bugs. Dessalines and I work full-time on these tasks and more. As there is no advertising or tracking, all of our work is funded through donations. Unfortunately the amount of donations has decreased to only 2000€ per month. This leaves only 1000€ per developer, which is not enough to pay my bills. With the current level of donations I will be forced to find another job, and drastically reduce my contributions to Lemmy. To avoid this outcome and keep Lemmy growing, I ask you to please make a recurring donation:

Liberapay | Ko-fi | Patreon | OpenCollective | Crypto

If you want more information before donating, consider the comparison with Reddit. It began as startup funded by rich investors. The site is managed by corporate executives who over time have become more and more disconnected from normal users. Their main goal is to make investors happy and to make a profit. This leads to user-hostile decisions like firing the employee responsible for AMAs, blocking third-party apps and more. As Reddit is a single website under a single authority, it means all users need to follow the same rules, including ridiculous ones like censoring the name "Luigi".

Lemmy represents a new type of social media which is the complete opposite of Reddit. It is split across many different websites, each with its own rules, and managed by normal people who actually care about the users. There is no company and no profit motive. Much of the work is carried out by volunteer admins, mods and posters, who contribute out of enthusiasm and not for money. For users this is great as there is no advertising nor tracking, and no chance of takeover by a billionaire. Additionally there are no builtin political or ideological restrictions. You can use the software for any purpose you like, add your own restrictions or scrutinize its inner workings. Lemmy truly belongs to everyone.

Dessalines and I work fulltime on Lemmy to keep up with all the feature requests, bug reports and development work. Even so there is barely enough time in the day, and no time for a second job. Previously I sometimes had to rely on my personal savings to keep developing Lemmy for you, but that can't go on forever. We partly rely on NLnet for funding, but they only pay for development of new features, and not for mandatory maintenance work. The only available option are user donations. To keep it viable donations need to reach a minimum of 5000€ per month, resulting in a modest salary of 2500€ per developer. If that goal is reached Dessalines and I can stop worrying about money, and fully focus on improving the software for the benefit of all users and instances. Please use the link below to see current donation stats and make your contribution! We especially rely on recurring donations to secure the long-term development and make Lemmy the best it can be.

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[–] Psythik@lemm.ee 1 points 22 minutes ago

Not until you do something about the tankies.

[–] flicker@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

This is excellent timing. I just got an email last night that my auto subscribed donation to our instance was canceled and I don't know why. I went to just reschedule it and they wanted my cc info but I was waaaay too drunk and in the middle of Pathfinder to go find my card.

Appreciate the reminder. I'll fix that now.

[–] altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 10 hours ago

Dess had his mouth running further than him, saying stupid shit, but I can downplay that and keep donating to him for the future of Lemmy as a whole. The Lemmigrad donation stream may be his own choice, but if he does that, we therefore can ask for a total detalisation of his income and spendings. We deserve to know, if he does that from his own paycheck himself, or if our donations directly support this one stalinist resource.

[–] thann@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

The devs activly support calls for the deaths of all americans on ML. There needs to be a way of supporting the codebase without supporting the core devs....

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Support the codebase without supporting the people who write the codebase seems impossible. Unless you want to fork it and then take the money for that.

[–] thann@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Yeah, theres a whole universe of solutions if youre actually interested in finding them....

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Sure, I am open to hearing it.

[–] thann@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 50 minutes ago

ok, im just spitballing here but what if, there was like a community of devs that took donations to develop the code. but this time they dont actively support calls for genocide, or deny obvious genocides or something like that. maybe a charity could be involved...

[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 11 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Is there any source to that claim? It sounds ridiculous even by lemmygrad and hexbear standards

[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Another example why "unlimited genocide on the first world" remains relevant

(libs not getting JDPON memes is funny AF)

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 7 hours ago

As an American, death to America and all its cultists known as citizens who worship its civil religion of exceptionalism. 🫡🫡

~~How many layers of irony am I even on here.~~

[–] masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Well, you can always do the liberal thing instead and sell Lemmy off to a billionaire parasite like Zuckerberg or Bezos. I'm sure they will always welcome another right-wing social media mouthpiece.

Take your pick.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Liberals would rather have Lemmy die than fund the services and servers, it's rather telling they want one unified opinion to be for all of Lemmy. And if the devs wanted the same thing, they're evil and trying to control the platform.

Right now dbz0 is having people brigade it because we want to have AI on our platform. They're mad we have our own rules on our own instance.

[–] ilovepiracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Right? Like isn't that the entire point of the Fediverse? Aren't we meant to be able to exist in little instances with values that we align with? And if people don't like it, they're free to move somewhere else, or peacefully block us and our ways?

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Tell that to the .world users who wants dbzer0 gone because we don't like copyright.

[–] CooperRedArmyDog@lemmy.ml 1 points 45 minutes ago

.world is the worst of the large activity groups, and it is worse because they are big enough they can start to manufacture concent that everyone else is bad, and then scare people off from the other instances. They to me feel like a group of people who are only mad at reddit because reddit hurt them, but have no issue with the fraimwork that made reddit reddit, and so are creating a distilled version of reddit.

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (5 children)

Is the crazy tankie still the one who's get the money?

Then lol, never

Oh, and apparently donating does to the .ml server costs, too? Idk how true that is, but hell no if true and gross how much this is getting spammed around

[–] nutomic@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

Would you donate for Lemmy development if lemmy.ml had a separate donation account?

[–] Hansae@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 hour ago

I've already donated a few times but this would genuinely be a good idea imo, Lemmy.ml's userbase can likely keep it running by itself & it removes the ick factor from having any of my money go toward it and seemingly one of the more significant roadblocks to people donating.

I do genuinely love what you've created!

[–] Snoopey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 hours ago
[–] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

There's piefed too; i'm very interested in it (even contributed to it, not through code though; through ideas to rimu and even a whole theme) it's still too early to be used by us, but if you're interested: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/38328295/16837857

I’d love to run a piefed instance, as I can hack its code directly. Sadly it’s just not as mature, One can’t migrate instances, and there’s not enough time in the world :(

Ye if it matures I might host a new instance, but I have my hands full enough with one as is it.

[–] taco@piefed.social 8 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I'm using the theme, so thank you.

[–] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 12 hours ago

Glad to hear somebody's using it :D

[–] miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 14 hours ago

Agreed.
Never, unless funds can be 100% directed AWAY from .ml and its sycophants.

[–] ChilledPeppers@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Can you donate directly to other devs? That really is very concerning, and I really don't want to help .ml..

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

As it says there, you can to nutomic, but they're famously a massive transphobe who claims that trans people are western propaganda (Id forgotten that until I read the comments on the post I linked)

I've said it off platform for a whole - Lemmy's a waste of time because the devs are garbage people the community actively hates. Unless someone forks it or the current devs hand it over I don't see Lemmy making it much further than this tbh. I kinda expected them to give up on the project from all the mass hate they got a while ago, but part of what makes them annoying is how stubborn they are lol

[–] nutomic@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

"Massive transphobe" is a huge exaggeration, I wrote a single private message which wasnt well thought out and simply a mistake. Does that invalidate all the work I did over the last five years to make Lemmy what it is today?

[–] three@lemm.ee 1 points 56 minutes ago

So just mildly transphobic? Alright, sold, donating now.

[–] 3dmvr@lemm.ee -2 points 13 hours ago

most devs are garbage, ppl just have their views hiddes as facelss corporate cogs typicallycmost ppl in general tbh, just talking to drunk strangers will make you hate most ppl, they do more for me than you, they gave me this platform, they let me bitch and see your bitching lol

[–] 3dmvr@lemm.ee 4 points 13 hours ago

I dont like that they imply lemmy would die without them like mbin and piefed dont exist? And they are running off activityhub, not like the core is lemmy? Correct me if im wrong, but if they stopped developing wed prob have a short period before apps switched to supporting mbin/piefed or others popped up? Guess the hard parts migrating all existing communites/instances.