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On lemmy.world I posted a comment on how liberals use 'tankie' as an invective to shut down dialogue and received tons of hateful replies. I tried to respond in a rational way to each. Someone's said 'get educated' I responded 'Im reading Norman Finkelstein's I'll burn that bridge when I get there' and tried to keep it civil.

They deleted every comment I made and banned me. Proving my point, they just want to shut down dialogue. Freedom of speech doesn't existing in those 'totalitarian' countries right? But in our 'enlightened' western countries we just delete you.

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[–] sovietsnake@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We should call liberals coupies because of all their coups.

[–] ledlecreeper27@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Call them boaties because NATO sent 19 warships to surround and blockade Lisbon in 1974 after Portugal overthrew fascism and started nationalizing industries and redistributing land.

[–] knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Where can one read more about those events?

[–] ledlecreeper27@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

From Rogue State by William Blum, chapter 17

More from chapter 18:

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[–] KilgoreTheTrout@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's also happens when liberals talk about foreign policy. The reduce critics of US foreign policy and NATO "America bad." Which is exactly as reductive as the hyperbolic critique they're trying to make.

A lot of this comes from the community from the streamer whose name starts with the v and who used to go by Irish Lassie. His community is especially toxic when it comes to using the term tankie as a pejorative.

And they don't even keep the smear to people that support the Bolsheviks. They've been saying that about Noam Chomsky and Jeremy corbyn and basically anyone that has been critical of NATO in the last few years.

[–] aspensmonster@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A lot of this comes from the community from the streamer whose name starts with the v and who used to go by Irish Lassie. His community is especially toxic when it comes to using the term tankie as a pejorative.

And they don’t even keep the smear to people that support the Bolsheviks. They’ve been saying that about Noam Chomsky and Jeremy corbyn and basically anyone that has been critical of NATO in the last few years.

Imagine calling fucking Chomsky a tankie XD

[–] polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

XD

The polish virus spreads! Yes! Hahaha! Yes!

[–] klieg2323@lemmy.piperservers.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Liberals once again refusing to acknowledge their hippocracy. They must be fuming after Comrade Hakim's latest video

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[–] citsuah@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago (15 children)

omg i just had the misfortune of wandering into this thread, https://lemmygrad.ml/post/806853 i am so glad we have our own space where we can safely laugh at these fools. omg.

[–] Krause@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
[–] Beat_da_Rich@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

"These gentlemen think that when they have changed the names of things they have changed the things themselves. This is how these profound thinkers mock at the whole world"

My favorite Engels tweet.

[–] GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago (17 children)

hmm, I wonder who controls the socialist state

[–] Blake@feddit.uk 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No one should control the state because there shouldn’t be a state. If there is a state then there’s oppression.

[–] IntoDaLagoon@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As an ML I actually agree with you, the state is a weapon and i would like to see it one day outlive it's usefulness and wither so that communism can be achieved. However, it's a weapon that you absolutely cannot discard until capitalism has been destroyed, and until then, unilateral disarmament is guaranteed suicide for a revolutionary movement.

[–] spacedout@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

guaranteed suicide

As is blind faith in a revolutionary movement's ability to wield such a weapon in the interest of the proletariat and towards communism. Seems like a lot of people in this thread are forgetting Mao's critique of the USSR.

"The revisionist Khrushchov clique abolish the dictatorship of the proletariat behind the camouflage of the "state of the whole people", change the proletarian character of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union behind the camouflage of the "party of the entire people" and pave the way for the restoration of capitalism behind that of "full-scale communist construction". - Mao - marxists.org

But is this not equally true for China today?

[–] REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago
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[–] Valbrandur@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

By the way, it seems that moderators in 196 are deleting those comments from lemmygrad posters in a way that appear as visible while seen from lemmygrad while they appear as deleted by mods from any other instances (or so I suppose, I do not know very well how does Lemmy work). This is happening even if there is no breaking of rules in sight.

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[–] GarbageShootAlt@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It might be interesting to start a conversation on the appropriate comm there about whichever rule is being enforced (check the modlog) and challenge the rule.

If you mean the blahaj 196, i doubt it will do anything, because it's apparently this rule by their mod:

[–] TheConquestOfBed@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I got 11 upvotes on a Ho Chi Minh quote in the clown shoes thread. Was that all you guys?

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[–] Rasm635u@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As Hakim or Yugopnik (I can't remember exactly) said, "tankie" is the new "commie"

[–] citsuah@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yugopnik I think from memory. He was saying how libs can't say "commie" because its such a dated word and nobody takes it seriously (except some conservatives who still say it unironically which is actually hilarious😂). It's too much associated with redscare era propaganda. Tankie doesn't carry this baggage but has exactly the same function.

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[–] tookmyname@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Totally agree. Edgy Russian conquest apologists is far more apt. I hate the modern use of the term “tankie.” “Tankies” were at least communist. Had some ideas and principles. Neither Russia nor China has communist core economic systems.

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