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[–] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 2 points 2 hours ago

Based! Fuck Nazis

[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago

This is a dumb law

[–] courval@lemmy.world 14 points 6 hours ago

Good, now criminalise Genocide denial.

[–] hopesdead@startrek.website 1 points 4 hours ago

I must be mistaken. I thought the EU had made it illegal. Finland is part of the EU last I checked.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 20 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

I need people to pay attention to the popularity of denial of the mass killings by Nazis of transgender people. One of the doctors who performed the first vaginoplasty, on Dora Richter, did also go on to participate in brutal abuses in a concentration camp. Like a dung beetle, a group is rolling around this tiny kernel of truth, coalescing in a ball of shit that ends up like this.

There’s something so vile about this. It has to be deliberate.

DuckDuckGo and Google have always had at least one denialist result in every single Google search I have made about the Holocaust. Back in 2010 - in high school, I remember reading half of a book online which seemed to be the memoirs of an American World War 2 soldier, than abruptly realizing that he was starting to say some really strange things. Never anything quite wrong, but off. I did a little googling, a bit more research, and then started running into names like David Irving.

It’s just such a damn difficult problem to fix. They are insidious. Deniers know that the Holocaust happened. They know that trans people were brutalized and massacred by the Nazis, whether you feel like the “purpose” of the mass killings makes it a genocide or not.

They don’t care. They want stupid people to believe it, because then you can get the stupid people to look the other way. To laugh at people pointing out the patterns.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 3 points 6 hours ago

One of the doctors who performed the first vaginoplasty, on Dora Richter, did also go on to participate in brutal abuses in a concentration camp.

TIL, design of the freezing experiments and he later wrote on them. Worked at the Charité at the time of doing the vaginaplasty, from what I can tell seems to have been a star surgeon. Surgery attracts psychopaths, he probably could not give less of a fuck about the ethics of anything but was interested in the technical aspects. Dora Richter's surgery was a joint effort with Ludwig Levy-Lenz, generally credited as the father of sex reassignment surgery and working at the Hirschfeld Institute itself. Not terribly surprising they collaborated with the Charité on a novel procedure, it was and is one of the very best hospitals in the world. Not indicted in the Doctor's trials, you probably do not want to read up on what those people did. I'm serious.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

It's too bad we can't make being a fucking idiot illegal, but then there wouldn't be anywhere near enough prisons.

[–] dullbananas@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 hours ago
[–] Mwa@lemm.ee 7 points 9 hours ago
[–] clot27@lemm.ee 11 points 11 hours ago

Common nordic W

[–] TTom0602@lemmy.world 24 points 13 hours ago

JD Vance will be pissed.

[–] Shootingstarrz17@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Is Finland just as based as I think it is? They even got the homeless problem fixed. If only...

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago

Is Finland just as based as I think it i

No, we're not. There's a lot of good, and definitely very good in comparison to a lot of other, or even most other countries, but I daresay there are certain problems of our own.

While the systems are all great on paper, reality doesn't always conform.

I was abused by the police in a manner that I think actually would reach the bar of international crime, as they even cut off my water at one point. I was denied my prescription medication and went psychotic for days on end in a jail cell, while "under supervision for my safety". I was literally drawing on the walls with my own blood. I didn't eat. They didn't care. Now whatever the motivation, the conditions I was kept in and the treatment I got would, I argue, constitute an international crime.

I've yet to find a single Finn who doesn't immediately challenge me when I say that, and then I show proof, they deny it, and I have not gotten a single person to explain to me how on Earth it would be possible for me to self-harm so badly while "under supervision" and why I was not given my medications and fucking urgent medical assistance? I still have scars on my arms and fingers and that was several years ago. Even just according to the Finnish laws, permanent physical harm would constitute a grievous assault, when done on another person. And since I wouldn't have done that if I weren't being treated that way (in a cell without a single word to anyone, no knowledge of my rights, which I have a right to hold a physical copy all the time during detainment, lights on all the time, no mattress, no bed, no blanket). The guard even taunted me several times over the radio.

Finns will deny this, just like all the Finnish authorities did. And thus if I can manage to prove that it was actually internationally criminal, then anyone denying it would be a criminal under this law, which sounds kinda nice.

Anyway, the point is that we're not a utopian democracy, we're a somewhat socially secure bureaucracy. Like yeah we don't really have anyone living on the streets, people usually get enough to eat, so "can't complain", but that's just it. Having some things be well doesn't mean that we shouldn't strive to improve the things which aren't.

Personally, Finland is a great country, but all countries are flawed in one way or another. There's no utopia anywhere.

Also the thing about Finns being introverts is not even an exaggeration. It'd be a massive understatement to say we're emotionally reserved and generally avoidant.

[–] MisterOwl@lemmy.world 8 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I'm sure they have problems like everywhere else, but I would emigrate there in a heartbeat if I could afford it and if they'd let me.

[–] Shootingstarrz17@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Yeah, I figured. And same, but I'm stuck in the worst part of the US right now. The Bible Belt.

[–] MisterOwl@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

Oof, get outta there if you can

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