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Sweden’s Tesla Blockade Is Spreading | WIRED (www.wired.com)
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[-] dojan@lemmy.world 29 points 7 months ago

They should just adopt a kollektivavtal. A big company hiring people and not having a kollektivavtal is a massive red flag.

Imagine you're going on a blind date with someone. You arrive, and the first thing the person does is compliment your skin. Throughout the date all they do is talk about their passion for anthropodermic bibliopegy and how nice, soft, and pliable your skin looks.

Same thing.

[-] bstix@feddit.dk 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

While the vivid description is true, it's probably better to describe the actual terms of the relationship.

Imagine going on a blind date (or job interview) and the potential partner says:

"I want full control over this relationship regardless of what is normal, acceptable or legal. I will pay you as much or little as I feel like. You must obey my every demand. I will decide your career. I will provide only the minimum required items and knowledge for you to fulfill your obligations to me. That's my offer. Take it or leave it. Also, for your own sake, don't mention these terms to anyone."

[-] dojan@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Here in Sweden there's no legally mandated minimum wage, nor is there any law requiring an employer to ever increase your wage. That's all done through the CLA. The only valid case for not having a CLA in place, that I've seen, is if you're self-employed.

[-] bstix@feddit.dk 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Same in Denmark, however my union also doesn't even have a minimum wage in the collective agreement, because it often results in a situation in which "minimum wage = maximum wage", as is seen in the collective agreements that do have minimum wage, like retail.

The employer argument is: "This minimum is what a retailer should cost, even check your union. You want more? Just look, this is the price that we can get people to do it for in this sector. You do better? We didn't ask for better. This is what we pay you for what we require of you."

My union is against the EU-minimum wage law for this reason, because we honestly think we can do better and align better with the "danish model" by educating and letting workers know their worth.

The methodology is instead to provide wage information through statistics, courses in negotiation and always always always being open for constructive debate. Everything is negotiable. If a minimum is set, minimum is what you get. We want more and we do get more.

This method can be abused by employers, but I have yet to find one that actually knows their way around it to do so.

Edit: sorry for all the edits if anyone noticed the spelling mistakes.

[-] dojan@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Yeah there's not one in mine either. The salaries tend to be set based on the general market rates. If I go to their website and look for my job I can check if my salary falls within the range it ought.

[-] bstix@feddit.dk 2 points 7 months ago

Props to Unionen. I know them only from the employer side, when my company fucks up, but they're always ahead of what happened. All my coworkers in Sweden are in Unionen.

I wish we had more border crossing cooperation union wise. The current Tesla-shit-show shouldn't be allowed by 3F to pass Danish borders. Tesla has been physically delivering the cars in ports in Denmark and driving cross Øresund. Should be stopped.

[-] polygon6121@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

Completely agree

[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago

For people like me know didn't know what kollektivavtal means:

A collective agreement, collective labour agreement (CLA) or collective bargaining agreement (CBA) is a written contract negotiated through collective bargaining for employees by one or more trade unions with the management of a company (or with an employers' association) that regulates the terms and conditions of employees at work. This includes regulating the wages, benefits, and duties of the employees and the duties and responsibilities of the employer or employers and often includes rules for a dispute resolution process.

[-] dojan@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

And clauses for the right to negotiating your salary. There's no law in Sweden mandating that employers give employees yearly raises, or even the right to ask for one. We have no legally mandated minimum wage either.

The market is set by negotiation between labour unions and employers/their representatives. For Tesla to go all "eh, fuck that shit" is to essentially ignore the entire dynamic of the Swedish labour market.

[-] Amaltheamannen@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 months ago

This is called a collective bargaining agreement in English.

[-] dojan@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

It's called a kollektivavtal in Swedish.

[-] Amaltheamannen@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago

Jo jag vet. Men onödigt att blanda in svenska ord så att jänkarna inte förstår.

[-] dojan@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Jänkarna har ju varken arbetstagarrättigheter eller fack så de förstår nog ändå inte, tyvärr.

[-] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Här uppe i Kanada vet vi åtminstone hur man översätter saker.

[-] troed@fedia.io 19 points 7 months ago

Musk, as usual, has no idea on how this works in Sweden (and, subsequently, in Europe). I actually hope this will end up with Tesla leaving Europe completely.

... and I drive a Tesla

[until the lease is up, then never again]

[-] LowtierComputer@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

What issues have you had? What have you been impressed with?

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