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[–] Pamasich@kbin.earth -2 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Isn't the Atari just a game console, not a chess engine?

Like, Wikipedia doesn't mention anything about the Atari 2600 having a built-in chess engine.

If they were willing to run a chess game on the Atari 2600, why did they not apply the same to ChatGPT? There are custom GPTs which claim to use a stockfish API or play at a similar level.

Like this, it's just unfair. Both platforms are not designed to deal with the task by themselves, but one of them is given the necessary tooling, the other one isn't. No matter what you think of ChatGPT, that's not a fair comparison.


Edit: Given the existing replies and downvotes, I think this comment is being misunderstood. I would like to try clarifying again what I meant here.

First of all, I'd like to ask if this article is satire. That's the only way I can understand the replies I've gotten that critized me on grounds of the marketing aspect of LLMs (when the article never brings up that topic itself, nor did I). Like, if this article is just some tongue in cheek type thing about holding LLMs to the standards they're advertised at, I can understand both the article and the replies I've gotten. But the article never suggests so itself. So my assumption when writing my comment was that this is not the case and it is serious.

The Atari is hardware. It can't play chess on its own. To be able to, you need a game for it which is inserted. Then the Atari can interface with the cartridge and play the game.

ChatGPT is an LLM. Guess what, it also can't play chess on its own. It also needs to interface with a third party tool that enables it to play chess.

Neither the Atari nor ChatGPT can directly, on their own, play chess. This was my core point.

I merely pointed out that it's unfair that one party in this comparison is given the tool it needs (the cartridge), but the other party isn't. Unless this is satire, I don't see how marketing plays a role here at all.

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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 45 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I suppose it's an interesting experiment, but it's not that surprising that a word prediction machine can't play chess.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Because people want to feel superior because they ~~don't know how to use a ChatBot~~ can count the number of "r"s in the word "strawberry", lol

[–] electricyarn@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Yeah, just because I can't count the number of r's in the word strawberry doesn't mean I shouldn't be put in charge of the US nuclear arsenal!

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[–] anubis119@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago (6 children)

A strange game. How about a nice game of Global Thermonuclear War?

[–] MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 days ago

Frak off, toaster

[–] ada@piefed.blahaj.zone 18 points 1 week ago

No thank you. The only winning move is not to play

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[–] Lembot_0003@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The Atari chess program can play chess better than the Boeing 747 too. And better than the North Pole. Amazing!

[–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Neither of those things are marketed as being artificially intelligent.

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[–] Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I'm often impressed at how good chatGPT is at generating text, but I'll admit it's hilariously terrible at chess. It loves to manifest pieces out of thin air, or make absurd illegal moves, like jumping its king halfway across the board and claiming checkmate

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[–] capuccino@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 9 points 1 week ago (4 children)

There was a chess game for the Atari 2600? :O

I wanna see them W I D E pieces.

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