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[–] rowdy@lemmy.zip 23 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I hate AI slop as much as the next guy but aren’t medical diagnoses and detecting abnormalities in scans/x-rays something that generative models are actually good at?

[–] medgremlin@midwest.social 39 points 1 day ago (2 children)

They don't use the generative models for this. The AI's that do this kind of work are trained on carefully curated data and have a very narrow scope that they are good at.

[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 10 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, those models are referred to as "discriminative AI". Basically, if you heard about "AI" from around 2018 until 2022, that's what was meant.

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[–] Xaphanos@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That brings up a significant problem - there are widely different things that are called AI. My company's customers are using AI for biochem and pharm research, protein folding, and other science stuff.

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 2 points 16 hours ago

My company cut funding for traditional projects and has prioritized funding for AI projects. So now anything that involves any form of automation is "AI".

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[–] Mitchie151@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Image categorisation AI, or convolutional neural networks, have been in use since well before LLMs and other generative AI. Some medical imaging machines use this technology to highlight features such as specific organs in a scan. CNNs could likely be trained to be extremely proficient and reading X-rays, CT, MRI scans, but these are generally the less operator dependant types of scan, though they can get complicated. An ultrasound for example is highly dependent on the skill of the operator and in certain circumstances things can be made to look worse or better than they are.

I don't know why the technology hasn't become more widespread in the domain. Probably because radiologists are paid really well and have a vested interest in preventing it... they're not going to want to tag the images for their replacement. It's probably also because medical data is hard to get permission for, to ethically train such a model you would need to ask every patient in for every type of scan it their images can be used for medical research which is just another form/hurdle to jump over for everyone.

[–] MartianSands@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago

It's certainly not as bad as the problems generative AI tend to have, but it's still difficult to avoid strange and/or subtle biases.

Very promising technology, but likely to be good at diagnosing problems in Californian students and very hit-and-miss with demographics which don't tend to sign up for studies in silicon valley

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Basically AI is generally a decent answer to the needle in a haystack problem. Sure, a human with infinite time and attention can find the needle and perhaps more accurately than an AI could, but practically speaking if there's just 10 needles in a haystack it's considered a lost cause to find any of them.

With AI it might find in that same stack 30 needles, of which only 7 of them are the needles, which means the AI finds more wrong answers than right, but ultimately you do end up finding 7 needles when you would have missed all 10 before, coming out ahead.

So long as you don't let an AI rule out review of a scan that a human really would have reviewed, it seems a win to potentially have more overall scans get a decent review and maybe catch things earlier in otherwise impractical preventative scans

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au -2 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

Despite what the luddites would have you believe, AI is an amazing assistive tool when paired with a human reviewing the results.

[–] CXORA@aussie.zone -1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Simp all you want.

You'll also be shivering in the streets before long.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 0 points 10 hours ago

I always was going to under a capitalist system.

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[–] Kirsche_z@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

At first i thought this was an open house where the visitors slowly became relplaced by AI, honestly i thought this was speaking upon the fact that AI would be able to replace even the housing industry, imagine the amount of land that would be bought up if it were given the resources to generate wealth off of unused land, imagine this scenario but replace the "crime" with anything else.

This IS our future if we let it be.

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[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They skipped the phase where all the doctors were replaced by NPs and PAs.

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