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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 67 points 11 months ago

Jesus fucking Christ

[–] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 59 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Have they already gone through the billions in weapons we've already given them?

[–] akincisor@sh.itjust.works 24 points 11 months ago

Billions don't go through as many hospitals as they used to.

[–] Silverseren@kbin.social 40 points 11 months ago (4 children)

This article is inaccurate or at least misleading in its title presentation. It's reporting on something that happened on October 20th, as the second paragraph notes, and was never actually enacted. In fact, Biden moved back from this and has been instead moving to restrict all weaponry sales to Israel in the past few days.

Biden has not been in any form of good light in my eyes in the past two months, but please don't spread fake or misleading information like this.

[–] nullpotential@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 months ago

It’s reporting on something that happened on October 20th, as the second paragraph notes, and was never actually enacted.

It's reporting on a budget request filed on October 20th. The requests pertain to fiscal year 2024. It's still set before the Senate to be voted on.

[–] PhoenixAlpha@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago

Do you have a source for him moving to restrict sales? I see there was a House bill about that a couple weeks ago, but it didn't involve Biden.

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[–] shani66@lemmy.comfysnug.space 37 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] snoopfrog@midwest.social 16 points 11 months ago

My exact reaction too. They're just steamrolling civilians in Gaza. I guess our relationship with them as an armed ally in the area is more important than some light genocide.

Just my opinion, but we knew this would happen eventually. I'm in my 40s and remember hearing enough about Israel in my teens and 20s that I've always thought of them as the "wish a motherfucker would" type. And here we are.

[–] AlwaysNowNeverNotMe@kbin.social 37 points 11 months ago

Oh good we're giving more weapons to the genocidal regime that attacked our warship, interfered in our elections, and illegally acquired nukes, all on our dime.

Biden, elected by the youth vote, essentially retiring with this move, but still running so as to ensure a trump victory so they don't need to enforce any troublesome laws.

[–] MummifiedClient5000@feddit.dk 30 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And you get a genocide and you get a.... No, just Israel actually.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 21 points 11 months ago (5 children)

I’ve been trying to convince my parents that this is absofuckinglutely genocide. It has not gone well. They are convinced that Israel is simply defending themselves, and all the civilian casualties are just how war is.

[–] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

You could make the comparison with Russia's actions towards Ukraine. Is it "just war" when Russia intentionally bombs children's schools and hospitals? Most countries are civilized enough to only target military targets during a war. It's also worth pointing out that modern missiles do not "accidentally" hit the wrong target, that's about as likely as shooting a gun and "accidentally" hitting your friend standing behind you.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Some estimates say over one million Iraqis were killed during the American invasion and occupation.

[–] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 8 points 11 months ago

Americans aren't civilized, just entitled. (Yes, I'm an American)

[–] corrupts_absolutely@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Most countries are civilized enough to only target military targets during a war.

all the humane wars out there

[–] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 1 points 11 months ago

Yeah I know... There's no escaping it, people are dumb.

[–] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)
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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

There's nothing genocide Joe loves more than bombing brown people. Reminder that this is the same piece of human garbage that voted for the invasion of Iraq in which US regime massacred over a million people.

[–] BurningRiver@beehaw.org 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, I didn’t read all 69 pages of the document. After 30 pages, I got RFP’d out and stopped.

There’s nowhere in this document that supports OP’s claim in the headline. If someone wants to refute my claim here, I’d be willing to address that with a citation in the document. But other than that, this entire post should be removed because it’s based on a horseshit claim.

A post like this is why downvotes are needed.

[–] nullpotential@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 months ago

This request would modify requirements that apply to certain defense articles that the Department of Defense (DOD) transfers to Israel. Section 12001 of the Department of Defense Appropriations Act, 2005 (Public Law 108-287), as amended (section 12001), currently allows the DOD to transfer specified categories of defense articles to Israel in exchange for certain concessions from Israel, subject to multiple restrictions—including that the articles are obsolete or surplus to DOD. It further requires the President to notify the Congress at least 30 days prior to such transfer. This request would modify section 12001 to: allow for the transfer of all categories of defense articles; remove the requirement that these articles be obsolete or surplus to DOD; allow DOD greater flexibility in determining the value of the concessions provided in exchange for the transfers; and provide for the possibility of shortening the 30-day prior notice period in extraordinary circumstances.

[–] Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

But Ukraine can't even get enough AGTMs and shells. God forbid mentioning atacms, almost two fucking years!

I can't believe that Netanjahu is more trustworthy than Zaluzhny.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 10 points 11 months ago (11 children)

all US puppets suffer the same fate in the end

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[–] BurningRiver@beehaw.org 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I can’t believe that Netanjahu is more trustworthy than Zaluzhny.[sic]

Can you touch on this a little further please? I’m not sure I follow.

[–] Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

There was a lot of back and forth over the last two years whether UAF can be trusted. Either about applying the weapons as agreed (ie not using atacms against muscovite mainland), or with regards to safety of the provided assets (keeping weapons in Ukraine and not selling it further to baddies). Like, there's a severe shortage of atgms, and as of lately majority of russian hardware is hit either with artillery or with FPV drones, or direct hit weapons such as RPGs.

At the same time Netanjahu is a very risky political actor who has proven his, um, tendency to manipulate the political spectrum, who's government absolutely fucked up the insurrection, and who governs a closest thing to an apartheid system since SA. Ffs his minister of internal security is so far right, he was expelled from IDF! And these people are promised unconstrained access to weapons.

This makes me sad.

[–] little_hermit@lemmus.org 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)
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[–] UnixWeeb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I can't imagine Hamas being the sole reason behind this decision. Of course at face value it is but feels like they are taking this opportunity to do this for some other reason.

Terrible nonetheless but worried about what else is to happen due to this.

[–] fox@hexbear.net 19 points 11 months ago

Arms manufacturers want more $ and can't get more $ if the stockpiles are full

[–] Joker@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 11 months ago

Likely as a condition of the pause and hostage exchange.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 8 points 11 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


“If enacted, the amendments would create a two-step around restrictions on U.S. weapons transfers to Israel,” said John Ramming Chappell, a legal fellow with the Center for Civilians in Conflict.

Under circumstances laid out in these requirements, Israel has been able to draw on the stockpile, purchasing the weapons at little cost if it uses the effective subsidy of U.S. military aid.

The effect of lifting the restrictions on transfers to Israel — such as eliminating the requirement that the weapons be part of a surplus — could harm U.S. interests by diminishing American preparedness for its own conflicts in the region, said Josh Paul, a former official who served in the State Department’s Bureau of Political-Military Affairs.

The U.S. government is only supposed to spend $200 million per fiscal year restocking the WRSA-I — about half the total cap for all U.S. stockpiles round the globe.

The U.S. currently requires that Israel grant certain concessions in exchange for certain types of arms assistance from the Pentagon, but the White House request would remove this condition as well.

“The Biden administration’s supplemental budget request would further undermine oversight and accountability even as U.S. support enables an Israeli campaign that has killed thousands of children,” said Chappell, of Center for Civilians in Conflict.


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[–] shiveyarbles@beehaw.org 3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I get the feeling that Israelis have something on joe or his son

[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

More likely he's getting a cut from the billions that defense contractors are making by selling arms to Israel.

[–] BurningRiver@beehaw.org -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yes, you’re worried about a guy greasing his pockets who rode a train to work for 20 years, and not the constant grifter who sends out monthly emails begging for money for his legal fees for lawyers he refuses to pay. This is a completely reasonable take.

[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 11 months ago

Who? I have no idea what you're on about..

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