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The EU still wants to scan all your chats – and the rules could come into force by October 2025
(www.techradar.com)
Buy EU, am I right?
Geezus...
this post was submitted on 02 Aug 2025
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Absolutely unacceptable and ridiculous.
Keep them informed, of course they care about your opinion, especially seeing how anyplace else in the world where such things were introduced there were successful revolutions and people doing that ended up in jail. Oops.
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Ugh, this shit again...
Are there any initiatives out there to call a stop to this? Or even better, initiatives to introduce legislation that forbids setting up this kind of surveillance infrastructure altogether?
Patrick Breyer with the pirate party is my go to example of why small parties and extraparliamentary opposition is important. 99% of the people don't even know him and he's just doing such an sucessful job of protecting them anyway.
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Your local Pirate Party and organizations like Bits of Freedom can help out.
The annoying thing is that some states like Germany pretty much prohibit surveillance of this extend by constitution. It couldn‘t be made any harder for a legislation like this to pass and yet they keep trying.
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Maybe it’s time to restart some some old Greek traditions and propose a law that anyone proposing chat control - from here on out - gets banished for life from entering European soil ever again.
I am in favour of this proposal.
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It's not the EU yet. It's a group of activists from Denmark. There wasn't even preliminary voting on it yet.
Doesn't mean we need to be complacent of course, but so far nothing happened.
but so far nothing happened
Things happens frighteningly fast these days. It's not a matter of being complacent; it's a matter of budding things in the nip. Which won't work. Then tirelessly fight back against it.
Unless you've been sleeping under a rock these last few… weeks. Not even months. Some legislation can go from 0 to 100 extremely quickly if left unchecked.
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STASI enters the chat.
Hey at least Stasi only spied on people they suspected.
That's due to the limitation at the time.
Their kind never leaves the chat, it's a professional habit
They won't.
If you're a citizen of an EU country, you should contact your politicians to tell them not to, maybe they won't.
It only has to pass once, and they keep trying.
Some keep trying. That's how democracy and politics works in general.
Many people in the US thought “He won’t”
So, call your representatives.
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Yeah. "EU wants this, EU wants that" - bullshit, the EU has no will of its own. A set of politicians within the EU, on the other hand.
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Thank god my OS doesn't care about EU regulation
Your OS doesn't, put the messaging apps that your friends/family/coworkers use do.
And no, you can't convince them to switch messager, I tried.
Currently, I, my entire Family and everyone I know use Signal. And everyone that doesn't want to, can contact me via Matrix or XMPP, which literally no one ever does, even thought I know a lot of IT and CS people. I keep them as options regardless, just to offer them to people.
I mean, there is also phone, SMS and email of course, but people seem to prefer a new messenger over actually contacting me in any of these ways. And then I'm always like "look, you can choose one of countless ways to contact me, if you like none of them, that's a you-problem".
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Is the EU not subject to GDPR?
Rules are for the people, not governments
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Welcome to earth, Everybody Sucks Here.
So, need a non-homicidal, non-EU country to run an XMPP server then...
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Compelling search engines to deindex results, age verification, chat monitoring: stay golden, EU.
Wtf. Is Signal going to be affected? I just recently installed Signal on my phone.
Signal has already stated that they will pull out of the UK if they go through with their version of this, I imagine they'll say the same for the EU.
Get a good VPN, exit it from a non-5 eyes country, and hope they don't start blocking by phone number alone.... and hopefully they'll drop the phone number requirement sooner than later.
Also, welcome to Signal!
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I'm starting to edit idcaboutprivacy more and more often (and that's not a good thing)
I like the comapirson i heared at Anne Roths(https://systemli.social/@anneroth) talk(German):
You would never say: I don't need free speech because I have nothing to say. Everyone profits from data privacy and free speech and some people are depending on their life on it.
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time to make my own shitty ass software to deal with this stuff
Let us know when it's ready for Alpha testing. Most of us will gladly give it a shot and help iron it out.
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The never stop trying. Fucking incompetent dumm politicians.
This is not the Europe I remember...
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