The fan suction trick does wonders. Learned it as a teen trying to uh... Ventilate some smoke from my bedroom lol
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If your PC/server consumes 200W, it emits the heat of a 200W heater (which is very low btw).
I have a constant 1000W load which is ~3400 BTU.
Its not 1:1 obviously. Most energy turns in to heat, but also energy gets ‘lost’ in spinning a disk or fan for instance.
Energy spent in spinning also ends up turning into heat, due to friction.
In case of a fan, the friction is very low. Otherwise you would have a very inefficient fan. Most energy is used to move air.
So if a server pulls 200w, 50w is spent moving air. Not generating heat.
Pc case fans are rated at 1.5-2W, most of it is converted into heat because of the motor coil resistance. The rest (a few mW) is used to move air. The air will stop moving, because of friction too (with the rest of the air, the furniture of the room, ...) converting those last mW into heat too.
100% is converted into heat.
Read the link to r/askscience in another answer.
First, we're talking servers here, those are beefy fans easily pulling 10W each (https://store.supermicro.com/us_en/80mm-fan-0206l4.html) 3A at 12v is 3x12= 36 watts at full blast!
Secondly, moving air is putting the energy in to moving something, that will heat up the air a tiny bit because of the friction of the blades with the air, but this is marginal. There is indeed more heat coming from the coil.
The air you are moving is not magically heating it up. The wind on earth is also not warming up the globe. Just a diff in pressure. Same goes for fans, they create low pressure in front, causing the air to move to the other direction.
Ok, more powerful fans, but the proportion scales.
When you use energy to move the air, that energy is transformed from electric (in the case of fans) to kinetic. The air keeps that energy in kinetic form while it's moving.
But if you move away a couple of meter from the servers, you won't feel the air moving anymore. Why? Because it stopped moving. Why? It lost its kinetic energy. How? Friction! With the case, with the walls, with the still air. Where did that energy go? Heat, just a few 0,01°C because the energy was very low to begin with, and spread in a large volume. So very marginal heating.
That was my whole point, never said the heat is generating in the fans, but the energy transferred to the air is dissipated as heat in other parts of the room.
"The wind on earth is also not warming the globe". Of course not, it's the other way round. The warming of the air is what causes it to move. It's a different way to generate wind, cannot compare it with fans.
Lol 200W I could only wish.
Be aware that running the furnace fan on all the time in the summer (anytime you run the AC) can cause high humidity in your house. The condensation on the coils evaporates right back into the circulated air, instead of dripping and drying before the next cooling cycle. I thought running the fan would circulate air better and keep my computers cooler, but the high humidity made it feel muggy even at lower temps.
Linus is that you?
I'm not sure what you're saying. You have a forced air system with a cold air return? What did you cut a hole into then?
Running the circulation fan constantly usually doesn't help. If you have any ducting buried underground or in an attic (unconditioned), you're just going to waste electricity using the fan, and dumping heat through the ducting into the attic or wherever.
Most systems have 3 fan settings 1) auto - run fan when heat or cooling are being called for 2) on - run constantly which is a waste 3) circulate - run fan for 2 minutes or so, every 10 minutes or so. Option 3 is what you want. But realistically "auto" is probably best unless you're generating a few hundred watts or more in that one room.
A box fan in an open door will probably serve you better. Because it's not pushing conditioned air through unconditioned space. It's all staying inside the rooms and hallways.
I heat my small home office room with waste heat from all the stuff in it. Only drawback is that I have to cool it actively on hot summer days or stuff will shut off.
My equipment lives in my family room. I’m in SC and run three fully populated Dell r720XD’s 24/7. It keeps the house warm in winter, but heats it up more during the summer (it sucks!). I haven’t found a solution to exhausting the heat without creating a negative pressure in the house causing outside heat to be pulled in, unfortunately.
Enclose it, route outside air in and back out?
Humidity in the South hits 100% way too often, unfortunately. I’d imagine that would not be great for them.
Fair enough. I dunno if you’re actually trying to solve the problem or not, but a mini split or a proper dual hose portable air conditioner are probably your best bets, neither of them generate positive or negative pressure in the conditioned space. All depends on how much energy costs are a factor to you.
Most servers are designed to take humidity really well, or at least that is what I tell myself when I think about my garage rack lol.
yeah ive had mine cooled with a swamp cooler for 3 summers now and they havent died yet, haha. they are old used servers tho, and i have many more.
In my old house we exhausted the heat out a window in the summer with a Dayton fan and 6" ducting , in the winter we circulated it to supplement a pellet stove.
Now in my own house servers are in basement along with my hybrid hot water heater.
Pics or it didn't happen
Have you considered water cooling? Then get in irradiatiors?
I've been doing something similar but simpler the past few years. I just have every pc in the house setup as a tdarr node, and at night they all work full blast. Even my laptop is setup in a room to help keep the warmth going.
If you did nothing, the waste heat would heat the basement, rise up into and through the floor, and heat your house anyway.
Not in my experience over the last couple of winters. The office just stays at 80F or more while the rest of the basement is 70F even with a fan blowing from the office out into the main room in the basement.
Heat moves along its gradient.
I don’t know what to say other than I’ve tried it and it doesn’t work. I thought it would but it doesn’t.
Where was that heat going before you added the fan? It had to go somewhere…
Some of it would leave, however, most of it stayed in the office which it’s why it was 80F+ in there.