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[–] LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone 41 points 2 weeks ago (16 children)

Maybe I’ve been on lemmy too long. So confused on who liberals are anymore.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 44 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (12 children)

it comes down to capitalism vs socialism.

progressive + capitalist = liberal

progressive + socialist = leftist

[–] LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Well. That one makes sense. So I’m leftist….. prepares for hate

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

leftist is pretty vague still because others are leftist too but each other's mortal enemies like like anarchists and communists.

you have to study political theories to understand what they actually mean. most people calling themselves leftist in the united states are democrat-socialist because they don't understand what socialism is due to not reading any sort of political theory.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Lemmy is primarily developed by Marxist-Leninists, and we have a ton of Marxists and anarchists in general. You aren't going to get hate for being a leftist unless you're on a more liberal instance.

[–] triplenadir@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

unless you're on a more liberal instance

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blahaj.zone

yeah brace for impact I guess

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[–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don’t think you’ll get hate for being a leftist on Lemmy.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 week ago

Depends on instance and community, but in general I agree.

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[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Liberal means you support capitalist rule over society, and also their preferred model of governance (bourgeios parliamentarism / capitalist dictatorship) as being "superior" to any alternatives, and especially the existing socialist alternatives.

Also since this model was first adopted by three colonialist western countries (UK, US, and Netherlands) in the 1700s, and adopted by most of western europe shortly after, it mostly coincides with a strong belief in white / western supremacy, as being the only "legitimate" form of governance.

The best book I could recommend here, is Losurdo's Liberalism - A counter history.

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[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago

Liberalists believe in a secular ideology where all humans are equal but white people are the most equal.

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[–] anotherspinelessdem@lemmy.ml 29 points 2 weeks ago (16 children)

In all fairness, a liberal is just a Nazi that has never actually experienced suffering before.

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[–] MrSulu@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)

There appear to be a vast number of iberals who are indeed raging angry by the murders, represented by people wearing the Liberal badge and not reported and not reflected.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 week ago (5 children)

No elected liberal leader has decried this ongoing genocide. Every single one supports Israel, and other settler colonial projects just like it. Liberal countries have been the main perpetrators of colonialism in the modern era, so this is nothing surprising.

[–] MrSulu@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 week ago

Have to upvote you on this truth

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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 week ago

ah yes, not all liberals

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