This is not going to be received with nuance in "men's liberation" (as a man I scoff at the very concept) but Happy Valley Oregon is in Clackamas County just southeast of Portland and even though they are a Portland suburbs they position themselves explicitly as an anti-Portland in terms of gender expectations. So you're going to get a pretty skewed picture of what boys are expected to be, compared to even just literally a couple miles northwest in Portland. They went and interviewed the sons of the maga dudes who think everyone in Portland is a weak soyboy antifa cuck or whatever, of course those kids are going to say that they value traditional signs of masculinity and feel like they can't cry when they are sad.
this post was submitted on 13 Aug 2023
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"men's liberation" (as a man I scoff at the very concept)
You seem lost.
Who are you needing liberation from? It sounds like you need to be liberated from your wallet probably
Not who, what. Patriarchy. Gender roles. Toxic masculinity.
Or you just look at the posts in this community and look for a theme, but I guess that's too much for you.
They've been banned for their comments. In the future please do not hesitate to report that kind of behavior.
Happy Valley Oregon is in Clackamas County just southeast of Portland and even though they are a Portland suburbs they position themselves explicitly as an anti-Portland in terms of gender expectations.
Has the city council released some statement on the matter? Where can I read the city's position on this?
You've never been there?
“men’s liberation” (as a man I scoff at the very concept)
You're the kind of man we need though!
What I see in the article is that the devide is between professional and social settings.
In the educational or professional space lots has been done and a lot of progress has been made, so much so that the young women interrogated didn't feel like sex was an obstacle in those areas.
In the social, or romantic sphere though things still seem largely unchanged with men and women still in very classic gender roles.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that if things haven't moved as much in these spheres, it's because there's less pressure to achieve equality here. This could be due to the fact that inspite of the issues women face there is still an advantage to their place in social circles and romantic relationships and as such feminism hasn't touched on them as much, or it could be that some of the issues have a more biological component that we will need to accommodate and compensate for rather than trying to simply level the playing field.
I agree with your overall conclusion, but not with your theory. Yes men and women have more equality in education and professional settings. However, women have changed the social and romantic spheres through feminism SIGNIFICANTLY. The household division of labor and the power dynamics in a relationship are two pretty big examples of change. Yes, women haven't changed the systems that benefit them. I don't think that's out of a desire to "maintain a benefit". I think it's because it is hard to see a system that doesn't hurt you, or one that benefits you. That's the whole concept of privilege: the benefits are invisible to those that benefit. These aspects of patriarchy hurt men, and it is therefore men who must demand and create change, to take down the patriarchal systems that hurt us.
We just never noticed because before because on the whole cis straight white men benefited and everyone else suffered. Now that everyone is taking apart all the systems that hurt them (often to our benefit), all that's left are the parts that hurt us (sometimes to the benefit of others). We just need to keep taking the patriarchy apart!