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[–] zcd@lemmy.ca 140 points 11 months ago (82 children)

The media is owned by the first group

[–] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Even the independent or non-profit media sources that have a lot of credibility and seem generally pretty chill will fall back on this every now and again.

You see it anytime you hear people talking about division or hyper partisanship "on the rise" in that clinical, abstract way that sounds objective. It's always in a discussion about the current state of "discourse", and it's nearly always remarked on like the story is the spike in "disagreements", and not about what the disagreements are actually about.This pervasive idea that somehow people being upset about the current state of affairs and the rise of actual fascism is some kind of aberration.

Like "Gee, people sure are arguing a lot these days. Boy howdy, they're sure a feisty bunch, aren't they?" Women literally had their right to an abortion taken away from them, we had armed fascists storming our God damn capital on the word of a President and current candidate, we had thousands die to a preventable illness because of rampant misinformation and right wing individualist propaganda, and still you hear this tone that people being really angry right now is weird.

Fucking Kurkusagst, a channel I have a lot of respect for, just the other day dropped a video blaming social media on the mounting political and social divisions in our country, and implying all will be well if we just stopped using big media platforms. Social media is definitely part of it, but anyone seriously acting like it's the primary reason people are fucking pissed right now has to be some well-off straight white man, because the rest of us have some pretty damn good reasons to be pissed. I don't need Twitter or Reddit or Facebook to make me angry, I just need to be paying the fuck attention.

It's insulting to every women, every LGBT person, every non-white person, and every single person struggling to make a living right now to imply "social media is just getting us riled up."

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[–] Elliott@lemmy.world 81 points 11 months ago (28 children)

I mean if you're still supporting Republicans you're kind of the problem.

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[–] IHadTwoCows@lemm.ee 77 points 11 months ago (2 children)

And high-speed trains. Healthcare, education, high speed trains.

[–] kelargo@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago (23 children)

Transcontinental high speed trains

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[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 66 points 11 months ago (23 children)

Slavery never went away, read the 13th amendment.

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[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 57 points 11 months ago (1 children)

the media doesn't think they're equal, the media is elevating slavery because they're owned by the people who will end up owning the slaves

[–] just_change_it@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Spoilers: We're already slave-lite. Owned by our landlords, credit bureaus, state and federal government (taxes) and education finance system (immutable loans).

It's nowhere near as bad as real slavery was. The goal is to make us earn as much as possible for those that own us though under the guise of "freedom". Freedom is dictatorship. Freedom is being controlled. Freedom is doing the right thing as prescribed by those in power and their interpretation of law which always seems to side with those who already have the money and power.

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[–] solarvector@lemmy.zip 34 points 11 months ago

Hey that's not fair, as part of fascism they also want healthcare (for the right people) and education (that reinforces their prejudices).

[–] ThatFembyWho@lemmy.blahaj.zone 31 points 11 months ago (17 children)

Haha don't forget moderates.

"We should listen to both sides, I mean nazis and fascists had good ideas too!"

[–] dtjones@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago (9 children)

I think it's a mistake to call them moderates. The "moderates" in the US have gone to great lengths to brand themselves this way, but really they are neoliberals who have bought into every aspect of conservatism except maybe the most depraved social views from the alt right, which they excuse as "just an opinion". They love to play both sides and act like they have some moral/intellectual high ground because they consider "both sides" when really they are already waist deep into right-wing ideology.

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[–] Cylusthevirus@kbin.social 22 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I see this sentiment expressed more often by tankies, enlightened centrists, and Krazy Konservative Kommenters than mainstream media sources. Usually in reference to economic policy (and in fairness, the differences there are pretty subtle if we're looking at the mainstream).

What I'm seeing in media is an attempt to listen to "both sides." It's just that one side has grown more and more detached from reality, so airing their crazy unchallenged alongside a more normal perspective makes it look like the sides are on equal rhetorical footing. It's like what you get in a debate with Donny T and Biden.

Biden: Normal liberal policy ideas, maybe we leave the queer folks alone, maybe we do a little something on climate, etc.

SmallHandsOrangeBoy: Incoherent frothing about the immigrants, the gays, the "woke mind virus"

Reporters: And here are the candidate's positions, clearly no further comment or observation is required. Best not question the froth lest we be accused of bias!

Feels like a lot of reporters are either unused to dealing with a rising fascist bloc, hampered by corporate meddling, or complicit.

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[–] Lilweed2@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago (4 children)

One side wants to break up families, abolish free speech, trans kids and make everyone attention slaves to big companies. The other side just wants freedom and happiness

(I dont accually believe this, just how the opposite side would make the same tweet) You cant believe the world is this black and white 💀

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