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Not everything actually requires a GUI, obviously. But anything that requires configuration, especially for controlling a hardware device, should have a fully functional GUI. I know Linux is all about being in control, and users should not be afraid to use the command line, but if you have to learn another bespoke command syntax and the location and structure of the related configuration files just to get something basic to work then the developer has frankly half arsed it. Developers need to provide GUI's so that their software can be used by as many people as possible. GUI's use a common language that everyone understands (is something on or off, what numeric values are allowed, what do the options mean).

Every 12 to 18 months I make an effort to switch to Linux. Right now I'm using Archlinux, and it has been a successful trip so far, except my audio is screwed, I can't use my capture card at all, I had issues with my dual displays at the start, and the is no easy way to configure my AMD graphics card for over clocking or well anything basic at all.

I'm not looking for a windows clone, I love that I can choose different desktop environments and theme many of them to death. I even like the fact there are so many distros. Choice is a big part of linux, but there is clearly a desire to get more people moving away from Windows and until that path is 95% seamless most people just won't. Right now I think Linux is 75% to 85% seamless depending on the use case and distro but adding more GUI front ends would, imho, push that well into the 90% zone.

GUI is not a dirty word, it is what makes using a new OS possible for more people.

EDIT: Good conversation all. This is genuinely not intended to be a troll post, I just feel it is good to share experiences especially on the frustations that arise from move between OSes.

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[–] jsveiga@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Linux is not a company fighting for profits and market share, with software developers paid to work according to the company's strategy.

You want something in Linux that nobody cares to develop? Decelop it yourself or gtfo.

A few hours ago I was helping a GUI-oriented colleague to get network working in a SUSE test installation. He had configured it in yast (a GUI admin interface), but he couldn't get to the internets.

I logged in, got me a command line:

ip a s (it had an inteface with an IP, and it was up).

ip r s (it had a default route to the world)

ping 8.8.8.8 (it worked)

host google.com (didn't work, it's always dns)

vi /etc/resolv.conf (added search and nameservers, there were none).

problem fixed (also suggested him to check his /etc/host, as domainame wasn't set either).

Why on earth do I want a gui to make simple things complicated - and silently fail while trying to do it? (yast couldn't find wpa-supplicant, although this is a VM with no wifi).

IMO, administering Linux through GUI tools is dangerous, because you probably don't know, or don't want to know, exactly what the tool is doing. It makes Linux as "inexplicable" as Windows.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So your friend configured it wrong in the gui (or didn't know what to configure)

[–] jsveiga@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

No, the SUSE demo license had expired before he configured it for the first time, so there was no repo access.

He did everything right in yast, but according to the yast log, it was trying and failing to get wpa-supplicant, although this is a VM with no wifi whatsoever. Yast "finished" the configuration with no errors, but failed to place the required entries in resolv.conf and hosts.

It's just one example of a useless gui trying to make simple things complicated.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Nah, there is also a GUI menu to adjust hosts. i have run it on various machines for 7 years with no issues. Not saying you won't get quirks but SUSE is solid. SUSE and Redhat are the only two certified disteos for used with our MCAD software, so they pass the rest of being reliable

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[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Also should mention if it is VM you may have to go into YastNetwork and add network device if it doesn't see it

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[–] ebenixo@sh.itjust.works -4 points 1 year ago

It's like europe with no signs in English. You're not wanted there

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