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In some of the music communities I'm in the content creators are already telling their userbase to go follow them on threads. They're all talking about some kind of beef between Elon and Mark and the possibility of a boxing match... Mark was right to call the people he's leaching off of fucking idiots.

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[–] darrsil@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (8 children)

People do, but ease of use will trump it every time.

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[–] float@waveform.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

To be fair, you basically have to give up on your privacy if you want to be a public figure these days. To make it most musicians have to constantly evangelize themselves, which means being omnipresent on social media platforms.

[–] bouncing@partizle.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Posting your band's tour dates on Facebook doesn't really even change your privacy status that much.

Whether you have a Facebook account or not, Facebook tracks you around the web. Data brokers sell your data. Your cell phone company sells your location and browsing history, etc.

People over-estimate how much not using any given social media app really matters.

Now granted, installing it on your phone gives them a level of data they wouldn't have from a web browser. That's probably why Threads is phone-only.

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[–] jacktherippah@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

In my opinion, they do care about privacy from people around them like you and me, they just don't seem to care when it's big tech companies like Meta or Google. Like for example, they won't show you or me their "sensitive photos", but it's fully backed up to iCloud or Google Photos, yknow.

[–] gthutbwdy@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Exactly. It is not that they don't care about privacy it is just that they trust them because they are the standard, they are big and government is supposed to keep them in check.

People trust the system way too much

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[–] markr@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

People obviously enjoy The Algorithm. They enjoy a feed that is constantly full. The fact that it is full of noxious shit is irrelevant. Those that come here from The Algorithm to mastodon or lemmy or anywhere else where The Algorithm is not present are immediately put off. Effort is required to fill your feed, it is an active rather than a passive experience. There is something entirely sexual about this dynamic. People enjoy being brain fucked by The Algorithm.

[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Different people have different preferences. There's nothing inherently wrong with that.

[–] markr@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

There obviously is nothing wrong, superficially, with people having different preferences. There is something very obviously wrong with Algorithm based commercial social media platforms that deliberately 'gaze farm'. Framing this as 'just a choice', is not really engaging in what that choice is, in this case, and why people are making it, and how hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of people being continuously gaze farmed is altering social consciousness. But sure, "There’s nothing inherently wrong with that", for some value of 'that'.

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[–] effingjoe@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What do you mean when you say "privacy"? Threads isn't more or less private than using any other federated service-- they all share everything you do on them with everything else anyway. I guess federation doesn't share things like your email and IP address, so there is some privacy-related concerns, so maybe that's what you meant?

The big distinction between threads and, say, Mastodon is that Mastodon doesn't have an algorithm. The minor distinctions are more along the lines of it being open source and not controlled by a giant corporation. I am not surprised that most people don't care about (or maybe actively seek out) a service with an algorithm, let alone about the benefits of FOSS.

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[–] Prater@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Most people just don't even realise despite everything that all of these huge corporations are tracking their every move and, of those that do, many do not see or simply refuse to acknowledge the dangerous implications of handing people like Mark and Elon what are, in many cases, essentially the keys to their personal lives.

[–] Contravariant@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

People are weird. I mean they're completely fine with random people at google knowing their exact location what they're doing and what websites they look at, but as soon as you start following them around in public they get all upset!

Seriously though, I'm guessing that an app just doesn't feel very 'threatening' somehow. It's just an appliance, in some sense. You don't care about the toilet seeing your private parts right?

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[–] cincinmasukmangkok@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Normies are cancer that make EEE & surveillence possible

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[–] jrandiny@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think people only care about their privacy if the consequences is something they can see/feel directly (e.g. privacy related to election)

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[–] jerdle_lemmy@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I mean, ActivityPub as a whole sucks at privacy.

[–] Ruxias@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Show me where activitypub actively tracks how much time you've spent looking at content, what content makes you stop scrolling, factors that contribute to you interacting in content, or any demographic information about you, etc.

Privacy is given up on the fediverse when you choose to post such information, (e.g. "I live in Ohio") not actively harvested as a means to craft ads for your eyeballs and sell to whoever has money.

Your comment is akin to "oh you don't like eating spoiled yogurt? And yet, you eat bananas... Curious."

[–] csm10495@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I guess I don't care about lots of data things normally. Honestly at this point I care more about the Elon V Zuck fight.

There is no semblance of privacy anymore. Most people need a bank account or a credit card. Boom someone has (some of) your data.

In the US, at that point, credit agencies also have (some of) your data.

Even in something like Lemmy, someone could easily scrape all the data about what you post/do/etc. At some level almost everything you do is public to some extent.

Edit since I thought of something else: Even if you drive in a big city: something is tracking your license plate. In NYC they do it for EZ-Pass, and in the Bay Area they do it for Fast-Trak.

[–] Timn@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Didn't the Equifax leak include people's data that never used their service? Like damn, is Zuck going to learn something new about me that every other company hasn't written down already?

[–] csm10495@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Yep! The credit agencies are very likely to get your data when applying for a credit card or loan or etc. So they have basically everyone at some point. Honestly the only other info Zuck has on me is random photos from 10 years ago.

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[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I am not an average person having worked in IT for a couple of decades now and I can tell you no, the average person is either not aware or doesn't care.

Even I, and my peers who are very aware, don't care

I think where privacy minded people fail to understand is that for most people we are not committing crimes or shady shit online therefore why care? A lot of us understand that if you type anything in a computer it is assumed to be on the public record either easily found or through a few hoops to get it.

If you want privacy write it down on paper or talk about it in person with your peers. Those are the most secure things.

Online and privacy are oxymorons. People need to understand this.

[–] DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 2 years ago (4 children)

This position is full of generalisations and false dichotomies. Care / don't care, private / not private.

A lot of us understand that if you type anything in a computer it is assumed to be on the public record either easily found or through a few hoops to get it.

This is pure hyperbole. Sure a lot of idiots don't realise that the platforms they're using are not private, but it's usually only admins that can access their stuff - it's not "on the public record".

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[–] AnyProgressIsGood@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'll go a step more general. People can't be inconvenienced. Climate change,politics,etc...

If it slightly inconveniences people you'll need a good leader to push it

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[–] Slacker@marsey.moe 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No shit! Think of how stupid the average normie is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

[–] toomanyjoints69@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago

The average person is basically a cow that has no interests besides easilly accessable movies. They watch things. They don't actually create anything or have any hobbies or interests. They have no friends outside of work. They have no goals. They do what the people around them tell them to. They are like this because of Christianity and the Patriarchy. Those things are the reasons that the normies suddenly hate me when they see me in lipstick. That is why there are no good parents. Normie consumers want to raise other normie consumers.

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