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A new ‘app store’ is expected to ship as part of Ubuntu 23.10 when it’s released in October — and it’ll debut with a notable change to DEB support.

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[-] MrFagtron9000@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Why do Linux nerds that care about this sort of stuff hate snaps so much?

Is it the concept of snaps / flatpaks that is the issue or snaps specifically because Canonical is behind them?

I know literally nothing about how they work except I installed the VLC snap and it's fine.

I couldn't install Parsec (a remote desktop game streaming app) because of a missing dependency (an old version of lib-something codec that wasn't in my newer version of Ubuntu). I spent like an hour trying to figure out how to take the 18.04 version and add it to 22.10. I don't know Linux at all so I wasn't making much progress. Someone, not the developers of Parsec, made a flatpak and it magically worked.

I was afraid that because the flatpak was made by some random guy I couldn't really trust it. I looked inside the flatpak and it's seems to be nothing except for the Parsec deb coming straight from the official Parsec URL and that libcodec thing that was causing a problem.

So from my perspective, not knowing the technical details or politics, what's the problem?

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[-] code@lemmy.mayes.io 8 points 11 months ago

This is why im on the hunt for a new distro. Looking at pop and fedora right now. Kinda prefer deb cause thats been my env for 15 yrs

[-] miket@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

I’d suggest if you want stock and recent Gnome, stick with Fedora.

Pop is building their own DE that they will switch to sometime in 2023. Which also mean they will remain 22.04 till then.

I’m waiting for VanillaOS 2.0 release to see if it is any better.

[-] 4am@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

I’ve heard the latest Debian absolutely slaps; haven’t tried it yet myself though

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[-] CassiniWarden@infosec.pub 8 points 11 months ago

I've been using more and more flatpaks lately on arch and fedora based distros, i have no idea how snaps compare but seems similar? Seems an odd push from Ubuntu, but could make more sense than deb packages for non techy users perhaps?

[-] piranhaphish@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

In my experience, performance of snap apps is just abhorrent. The consume a huge amount of disk space and, whether it's due to that or not, they have extremely long load times.

Principles aside, this just makes them unusable for me. I use flatpak when there's no other option, but strive to use deb either natively or through PPA.

[-] AProfessional@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Snap is very similar just not portable to most other distros. It makes a lot of sense both for users and for vendor lock-in.

[-] Vittelius@feddit.de 6 points 11 months ago

Snap is portable to other distros, look at the official website and you see a list of distros, you can use snap on. That doesn't mean that there is no vendor lock-in, just a different kind. Snap as a format grew out of Cannonicals effort in the mobile field. Snaps where supposed to be the truly convergent successor to click, the packaging format used by Ubuntu Touch. And this history is baked into its DNA. It's right there on the snapcraft website: "The app store for Linux". As such Cannonical has always courted proprietary software and/or software by big companies (VS Code was first released as a snap for a reason). I think that they have always have had an eye on one day adding app payments and the sweet, sweet 30% cut they can take from every sale

[-] AProfessional@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

The sandbox requires apparmor, so doesn’t work on anything else by default except OpenSUSE I think.

[-] Vittelius@feddit.de 2 points 11 months ago

Solus and Manjaro are shipping Snap installed by default and I've never had a problem installing snapd on fedora. All I ever had to do for that was run a single standard dnf install. Apparmor doesn't pose the problem you think it does

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