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[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Only the big evangelist types or Mormons which isn't all Christians. I know plenty of Christians who are quiet about it and only talk about it if you bring it up, unlike people really into politics. Even with Mormons I've known many who don't say anything about it and even sneak in coffee...

Go to a Unitarian church where people will usually identify as Christian.

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[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I would propose that some Christians think that gays are trying to convert them because they feel attracted to people of the same gender. If you have no sexual attraction to people of the same sex, then the idea that you could ever be converted to being gay is going to seem ridiculous. I'm straight; I'm simply uninterested in being people with male bodies or male genitalia. On the other hand, if I was bisexual--or simply gay--and believed that homosexuality was sinful, then I might feel like depictions of homosexual people in media was an attempt to change who I "am".

[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

As someone who was raised in the church I think this completely misses their perspective.

They believe that God is completely fair and just, and wouldn't make someone in a way that was contrary to how he wants people to be. So it's impossible for being LGBT to be something innate and unchangeable, since that would require God created people specifically in a way that he says is wrong.

So instead they go with "it's a choice, they were 'converted' and it's possible for them to mess up everyone else too." It's just to stave off cognitive dissonance, essentially. You can't believe in a God that says being gay is sinful and then creates people to be gay, so you have to believe it's like alcoholism or something and can affect anyone.

There's no logic behind it and clearly no scientific data, but that won't stop them because they arrived at the conclusion based purely on it being the only thing they can believe and not change the way they understand the nature of their God claim.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They believe that God is completely fair and just, and wouldn’t make someone in a way that was contrary to how he wants people to be.

This simply can't be supported though. Christians tend to be gender essentialists, but there are a wide range of genetic defects where people appear to conform to one gender while not having a genetic makeup that conforms to the assigned gender, e.g., androgen insensitivity syndrome. So if people are made exactly how god intends them to be, and sex is an essential part of that, how can people exist that do not genetically conform to their assigned gender, or any binary gender? You can't say that god doesn't make mistakes and say that sex must be binary, when genetic errors prove that at least one of those propositions must be false.

[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

You could say the same thing about psychopaths, since they believe that everyone has the ability to understand that they're sinful, etc.

That's why I said there's no real logic, it's all just cherry picking the parts they want to believe and ignoring the real world aspects that don't conform to their presuppositions.

[–] mods_are_assholes@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (18 children)

Hi: Theistic Christian here.

Worship who/what you want and marry who you love and be kind to everyone. Even the people you don't like. Trans people are people and good deeds don't get you into heaven.

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[–] krondo@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

I mean there is a benefit to convert someone to your sexuality (you fugg'em) but the very sentence I wrought there sounds insane and outlandish I don't understand how you would go about that.

[–] fubo@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

There's also the problem of some religious conservatives not realizing that straight people exist.

According to conservative psychologists like Paul Cameron or James Dobson, gay sex is a huge "temptation" that people must learn to resist; they worry that it would be the downfall of society if more people chose to succumb to that temptation. They might blame that temptation on Satan directly, or on LGBT+ propagandists, or liberalism; but they very much seem to believe that anyone could choose to be gay.

Sorry, no, that's not how straight people work.

If you experience gay sex as a strong temptation, you're just not straight. That's okay! Quite a lot of people are straight, and are just not interested in having gay sex. If all the people who are "tempted" to have gay sex went and did so, there would still be lots of straight people left having lots of straight sex.

The odd part is that these conservative psychologists then teach this doctrine of "gay sex is a strong temptation for everyone" to an audience composed of mostly straight people.

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