Sovereign citizen needs CPS involved. : insanepeoplefacebook

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 81 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Do you think she realizes that if someone kidnapped her baby, wrote up this fake birth certificate and then claimed the baby was their own, they have exactly as much recorded evidence for their parentage as she does? If that was all the credibility one needed, babies could be human trafficked to other countries, sold and then claimed as their trafficker's own with a single handmade piece of paper. It would take a court ordered genetic test to resolve any question of their legal parentage if challenged until they become an adult. In what world does she think that that is even a good idea, let alone the reality?

[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 56 points 8 months ago

Yeah but she knows more magic words then the kidnappers.

[–] DigitalTraveler42@lemmy.world 34 points 8 months ago

It's okay she'll just risk death by birthing another one on her bathroom floor.

But seriously, yeah excellent point.

[–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 48 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I like how she claims the kid is "100% healthy" but also the kid has never seen a doctor before.

Apart from that how is this kid going to get anywhere in life without a birth certificate?

[–] Globeparasite@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Apart from that how is this kid going to get anywhere in life without a birth certificate?

turbo sheltered life with zero ID until they try to get a paycheck, then they will be fucked

[–] DigitalTraveler42@lemmy.world 43 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Imagine how "wild" that birth would have gone if she'd have encountered any complications. These idiots don't think about the fact that they are not only taking chances with their child's life, but also their own.

One of the worst nightmares I've ever had was waking up from a dream about me bleeding out from something, and I just remember hearing myself say "i've made a huge mistake" in Will Arnett's voice.

That's what this lady was chancing, dying with her child stuck inside of her while bleeding out on her bathroom floor.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 25 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Unassisted births is a crunchy mom thing that was popular in the early aughts. It was terrible and many babies did very badly. All you need is to aspirate on a little meconium on the way out and you can be dead as a doornail on delivery.

[–] Timecircleline@sh.itjust.works 19 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I think its coming back because it's so expensive to give birth in the states that "choosing" to have an unassisted birth (choosing in quotation marks because the options are medically assisted birth and crushing debt, or unassisted) is coming back in vogue.

Aside from the private person sovcit people, I think it's people who don't have a ton of agency over their circumstances trying to exercise control over the birth of their child.

About 1 in 10 babies need some degree of resuscitation though. Risky gamble. I do feel for the parents too, that this choice is more appealing despite the potential dangers. ESPECIALLY with no medical assistance during pregnancy too- are we breach? Are we placenta previa? Are there multips?!

[–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

America's failing institutions are causing some wild shit.

[–] DigitalTraveler42@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Meanwhile idiots will keep voting for conservatives, whom let the institutions fail by "starving the beast" while handicapping the institutions in various ways, legislating against those institutions, and then once they start failing they'll point to what they destroyed and say "see what i told ya? Government doesn't work", rinse and repeat.

[–] wildebeesties@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It’s super popular now. And then what happens is, if they do decide to go to the hospital, it’s super late to do anything. The baby is either already dead or has HIE (brain damage from lack of oxygen). It literally happens in a couple minutes and can happen if you’re already admitted and on the delivery floor, let alone at home or in the freakin woods. THEN what happens is whatever poor outcome is the result of their choices is now counted towards the hospital as having X number of deaths or whatever and they they cycle that info through their groups as, “See, this is why you don’t go to the hospital.”

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

There was this psycho mommy blogger in the aughts who had an unsupervised pregnancy without any medical care, and she went into early labor around 7 months and of course went running to the hospital, despite ranting about how bad hospitals are for birth, and the doctor immediately discovered the fetus had sirenomelia,which is a condition where the legs are formed only as one boneless limb (they look like a mermaid) which was in breech presentation, which would be impossible to birth vaginally, and told her she needed an emergency C-section. Part of the condition is that the fetus has no kidneys and usually heart and lung defects and is not ever going to live, so baby died within a short time of birth, of course. It was super tragic, but as she was a narcissist and went into defensive mode, she claimed she was happy she had no ultrasounds or any prenatal care because she got to have her pregnancy in peace, and claimed the hospital had "birth raped' her because they "pushed" her to have a section. It was absolutely insane.

[–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

as she was a narcissist

that seems to be the root cause of most of this shit, and a lot of other social problems we have really.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Unnatural amounts of attention, plus disinformation, plus stupidity and narcissism will amount to doing crazy shit..

[–] VelvetStorm@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

Or a blood clot in her thighs that kills her.

[–] wide_eyed_stupid@lemmy.world 35 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Damn, I just feel so sorry for the kids with parents like these. I mean, even if the kid doesn't suffer and die due to medical neglect, what kind of life are they going to have? Can they even go to school without a birth certificate? Get any type of ID? Get a job? A driver's license? How would it even work in practice? Officially this kid wouldn't even exist, right?

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago

Also an interesting article on the legal ramifications; https://nysba.org/kids-off-the-grid-sovereign-citizen-parenting-and-its-legal-impact-on-children/

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

Exactly. This has happened before and the topic has been on a podcast trying to help the person who did not exist on paper.

[–] wildebeesties@lemmy.world 35 points 8 months ago (1 children)

As a social worker, this is 100% something that would get CPS involved then they’d continue to stay involved for the many, many things I’m sure they’d uncover. Medical neglect is the first major thing that is an easy way for them to open a case (some things take a ton of proof but this is pretty cut and dry). Also, you can get in serious trouble for not registering a baby in the US within a certain time frame. Hope someone called CPS on her. Wild.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I really hope so, thankfully her family was very concerned and I'm hoping they made the call. I think right wing extremists are so dangerous to their children and I'm hoping CPS begins to be more insistent on removing these poor kids.

[–] wildebeesties@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They do as long as they have enough evidence to back up their request to remove the children. The problem is, there are a ton of really messed up things and emotional abuse but emotional abuse is one of the hardest things to prove. So people get mad that children haven’t been removed but don’t understand that it’s really hard to do. Things like physical abuse are easy for removal cause there’s usually obvious signs once an investigation has taken place. I don’t work for CPS but adjacent to them- any children they remove are referred to my agency where we do the follow up mental health treatment and visits for the family.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Have you had kids like these families in your service before? I think it must be like deprogramming.

[–] vorpuni@jlai.lu 33 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

How do you guys have the patience to read these diatribes written by illiterate buffoons? (This one at least is legible)

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago

I'm so amused by them though.

[–] banichan@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Gotta get through the cake to get to the cream

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

*also apples to the ladies

[–] blargbluuk@sh.itjust.works 4 points 8 months ago

ladies love apples

[–] vorpuni@jlai.lu 2 points 8 months ago

Sure, they can be entertaining but I mostly find people so out of touch with societal norms sad.

They don't want to comply with the legal system, I can sympathise, most people are little more than tax cattle in the eyes of their rulers. They are misguided and maybe some of them are really stupid, laws are not enforced by arguing about your rights. Life is unfair, I think most of them are looking for a way out of that.

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 23 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Wait, what the fuck is the conspiracy with midwives and sovcits now?! “Mid (med) wife?” Is that some shit about them breaking down the term to say that the deep state is somehow secretly marrying their child off to this stranger or some insane shit? i can only imagine.

OP, you’re basically the sovcit whisperer. What’s the scoop

[–] HereIAm@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That line caught my attention as well. I'm not sure what "med" is meant to imply.

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago

I’m assuming “medicine?” But…what does that have to do with any conspiracy. Just pure insanity.

[–] Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Like they are just an arm for big pharma I guess

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Mid (med) wives.

Wow they really did choose not to trust anybody. Midwives are as natural as you can get.

[–] loutr@sh.itjust.works 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They do trust complete strangers from random Facebook groups tho.

[–] stinerman@midwest.social 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Complete strangers confirm their beliefs.

[–] Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

That's the best kind!

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

It was one of the claims of the free birth movement in the early aughts, that midwives were secretly trying to force you into not allowing natural birth.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Definitely a case for CPS.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago

If I had any idea where she lived.

[–] Jerb322@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Poor kid...

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Won't suffer long

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago

lol dark bro

[–] VelvetStorm@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Without that vitamin k shot that baby is not going to be healthy. This is a sids case waiting to happen.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

It's SO bad. My friend who is a world class fact checker and disinformation expert says that she thinks the free birth movement was one of the earliest Russian disinformation campaigns, and I tend to agree.

[–] Szymon@lemmy.ca 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Can someone ask one of these fine folks which enforcement branch ensures their rights are respected so this isn't all just a display of mental illness?

[–] Globeparasite@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

I don't know if you spotted it but she doesn't realise that in real life, people can take shit they don't own, especially the ones with state backing like the police

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