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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by Zozano@lemmy.world to c/fediverse@lemmy.ml

Old habits die hard, but there's Reddiquette which needs to be revived, and some which needs to die.

Many "golden-age" redditors remember a time when downvoting was reserved for hostility, not a different opinion. For the sake of our growing community I would like to implore everyone to be awesome to each other.

However, this place is not Reddit.

  • We don't measure in bananas here.
  • We don't need to append "edit: typo" to edited posts and comments.
  • if you see something which is worthy of a downvote: down vote and move on! Don't engage with it and feed the algorithm/engament machine so other people are exposed to it when sorting by active.
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[-] WontonSoup@lemmy.world 92 points 1 year ago

Showing the reason you edit a post isn't dumb, its to give a valid reason so people don't think you edited to make someones response look bad. Saying its for context, adding a word or whatever just shows you didn't edit it maliciously.

The whole "edit: thanks for gold and I can't believe my most upvoted comment was about editing!" can go away for sure though

[-] Zozano@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This argument never really made sense to me. Anyone who is being deceptive is not going to tell people they're editing their comments.

It's the result of nothing more than a moral panic. There aren't roving bands of keyboard warriors rolling around making comments and then editing them to make others look stupid.

And even if there were, they could just include "edit: typo" and get away with it. Unless someone takes screenshots.

I think it says more about the community that everyone is expected to prove their innocence. Let's have a little faith in each other, we're better than that.

[-] Treevan@aussie.zone 28 points 1 year ago

It makes sense to me and I've been editing comments this way since the early 2000's. For some, it's a cultural practice that's probably decades old.

If the platform didn't state the comment was edited, I probably wouldn't bother but if it does, there is always a thought at the back of the reader's mind about what happened. Leaving a note about editing negates the thought. Leaving pointless edits less so.

I find it more ethical and transparent, particularly in discussion threads where debates are being held.

[-] Zozano@aussie.zone 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I get it as a cultural thing, but it makes no sense epistemologically.

An unethical person would not state they changed their comment, and a malicious person would state their edit was mundane. Those two factors alone render the practice of proving your innocence in advance moot.

I think it's sad that people reflexively assume the worst. I used to engage in some heated debates on Reddit, but I was never accused of, or assumed the other person edited their posts to make me look bad. It seems like paranoid behaviour to me.

Strangely enough, if it became the norm to correct typos without stating it, the default assumption would be that the edit was a typo correction.

[-] Treevan@aussie.zone 5 points 1 year ago

I didn't downvote you.

I agree but like the premise of the argument is that there is trust issues, a edited reason makes it more trustworthy on a scale rather than nothing. I agree with that usually typos don't require a reason but reddit? gave you 5? mins before an edited notification was placed on the comment for that reason.

Bad actors are always going to act bad.

I don't even think downvotes need to exist to counter other aspects of the OP. I would rather a statement as to why this was a bad comment or post so as to make it a learning experience, an educational tool rather than a down arrow that could mean anything. I've been downvoted for adding relevant posts to the community I manage. What the fuck is that supposed to mean? Was it the content? Someone holding a grudge? What?

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[-] Evoke3626@lemmy.fmhy.ml 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Holy shit agreed. The “thanks for le kind gold stranger” shit makes me want to fucking cut my throat. Some shit im begging to stay on leddit. All the shit on /r/circlejerk for example.

Edit: le thanks for the gold kind stranger

[-] RomanRoy@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

I like the "edit:" append if I edited something, just to make it clear for whoever comes later.

What's the problem with it?

[-] wandermind@sopuli.xyz 23 points 1 year ago

I think it's polite to tell what you have changed when you edit a post as long as the platform does not have edit history visible (which as far as I can tell Lemmy does not).

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[-] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 1 year ago

We don’t need to append “edit: typo” to edited posts and comments.

I didn't do that because it was reddit etiquette. I did it because people can see I edited my post, and I would like them to be able to see why

[-] Zozano@aussie.zone 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Why tell them you fixed typos? What's the point?

I've edited my comments for years to fix typos and clarify statments, and I never once had anyone accuse me of being disingenuous.

And even if they did, that's their, and their conspiratorial mind's problem.

[-] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 1 year ago

Because otherwise people don't know why I edited the post. Did I change my opinion? Did I add some context or detail I missed the first time around? Or did I just fix a typo? A reason just makes it easy for people to have more context

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[-] cholesterol@lemmy.wtf 20 points 1 year ago

I rate this post 0.5 ~~bannanas~~bananas. edit: typo

[-] fazey_o0o@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

downvoted edit: wait I think I pressed the wrong button

[-] can@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago
[-] drspod@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago

I wondered the same. There are "Hot" and "Active" categories on the front page but I'm not sure how they work. Perhaps commenting pushes a post further up the "Active" feed?

[-] Zozano@aussie.zone 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is my impression too. I see day-old posts with new comments on refresh, so I'm assuming you're right. Maybe algorithm isn't the right word, but you get what I mean.

[-] silent_clash@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It is in fact an algorithm because it's choosing what posts to put in front of you based on multiple criteria (time since it was posted, votes/number of comments/time since last comment). They are relatively transparent and well documented criteria, though.

However, it's not a personalized feed based on your interests and unsolicited data collection, which is what people sometimes mean when they say "the algorithm."

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[-] chickenwing@lemmy.ml 17 points 11 months ago

if you see something which is worthy of a downvote: down vote and move on! Don't engage with it and feed the algorithm/engament machine so other people are exposed to it when sorting by active.

Disagree. You should politely state why you disagree. Engagement is good for newer websites like lemmy and you don't need to be rude or combative to disagree. One of my issues with reddit is when people would get downvoted for making a fair point or observation.

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[-] OptimisticPrime@lemmy.fmhy.ml 17 points 11 months ago

Marking edits with "edit" is fine by me, just don't use ETA for that...

[-] lunaticneko@lemmy.ml 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

My take for the fediverse would include:

  • Again, downvote not for disagreement but for content that clearly does not contribute to the discussion. Reason should not be given, as downvoting should be done sparingly and should not require a reason (for most sane human beings).

  • Be aware when interacting cross-instances. Culture, norms, and rules may differ.

  • Unless the instance operator is fine with it, limit your self-content sharing and self-promotion.

  • Remember that most of the fediverse instances are independent and they owe you nothing. The instance operator's decisions are final.

  • Do not squat names on multiple servers unless it's what you generally have been using.

  • Cats are still the supreme beings. The fediverse resides on the Internet (assuming that it runs on TCP/IP), so the cat supremacy rule applies.

[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Cats are corner-pissing vermin. Fite me.

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[-] matt@lemmy.piperservers.net 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's hard to understand your stance on downvoting, but from what I can tell, you think everyone who downvotes should just downvote and move on without commenting. It's funny because every post I have seen about downvoting has said the opposite; "Don't downvote just because you disagree" or "If you downvote, post a comment as to why"...

I say everyone should stop trying to dictate how other people use their software and stop complaining that "everybody else is doing it wrong"™️. If you have a problem with downvoting, I think you can join an instance that has it disabled.

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[-] fruitywelsh@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

To be honest building a edit history views makes more sense to me. This project is opensource we can do more than work around.

[-] Emperor@feddit.uk 10 points 1 year ago

We don’t measure in bananas here.

You are going to have to come up.with an alternate unit of measurement then. An easily available one too, as I am not keeping a lemming handy for the purposes of scale. Unless it was stuffed... I'm off to eBay, back in a mo.

[-] Zozano@aussie.zone 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I use my Lemmy for architectural blueprints.

[-] Evoke3626@lemmy.fmhy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

Wait what? People have those? A lemmy is a real animal? So many new things at once for me

[-] Zozano@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

A lemming is a real animal.

There's a misconception that they commit mass suicide by jumping off cliffs.

[-] Emperor@feddit.uk 7 points 1 year ago

Smaller than I thought but it does have the potential to be a standard.

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[-] BraBraBra@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

Listen, I'll measure with a fucking banana if I feel like it, okay. Don't tell me what to do pal.

[-] rm_dash_r_star@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

It's not really an algorithm, you see posts based on the type and sort order you select. Sorting by "hot" counts votes, sorting by "active" counts posts. My default is Subscribed and New. When I get through all the new stuff I check Active and Hot.

In any case, yeah there's stuff I hope not to see here. So far so good and hopefully it will stay that way for a while.

[-] Zozano@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Fixed it to be more precise.

I suppose whether it's an algorithm comes down to which definition you use.

I think the colloquial definition is something which is user-dependant and very complicated.

However, the dictionary definition is "a finite set of unambiguous instructions", which fits my initial usage.

Strangely though, the colloquial definition doesn't fit the dictionary definition, because the YouTube/Twitter/Facebook algorithms are so ambiguous that the people designing them don't really know what they're doing, since they are evolving by themselves.

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[-] CalcProgrammer1@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

I mean, a sorting algorithm is still an algorithm, just a very straightforward one. The good kind of algorithm.

[-] fediverse_report@lemmy.ml 8 points 11 months ago

I'm very curious as to what people's view on etiquette is regarding submitting your own content. I write a weekly newsletter about the fediverse which is pretty relevant to this community for example. But I'm also quite aware of reddiquette thats pretty hesitant on submitting your own stuff, as it can get spammy really fast. Would love to hear.

[-] Pat@kbin.run 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Personally, if it's good content I don't mind a little self promotion. People won't see what you made if you don't share it. Just don't post it to dozens of communities, that's when it gets way too spammy. Find one or two you think it would a good fit for and users would find relevant and share it there, as long as that community doesn't have any rules against promoting your own content.

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[-] Generator@lemmy.pt 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm an old age redditor, and that was may reddiquette, "don't downvote just because you don't like the topic, maybe other people find it interesting".

Mostly I don't downvote at all, only on some rude or spam posts.

Reddit just become something where everyone downvote everything for no reason, even if just say "OK" ou "that's cool"!
On Lemmy (ate least for now), not so much or I don't see it.

If you see a post "orange is the best color", don't downvote just because you don't like orange, leave a comment and express your opinion instead

PS: There's an old Reddiquette song, the same can be applied to fediverse
https://youtu.be/4fLpktf2jYw

[-] Zozano@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Downvoting breeds toxicity. It's regrettable that we are wired to feel validated and rejected by numbers, but if we admit that, we should understand that unnecessarily putting someone into the negative numbers ultimately hurts everyone.

I really want Lemmy to cultivate a community which epitomises virtues of civility. Reserve down votes for uncivil behaviour.

[-] themachine@lemmy.fmhy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Seems like kinda a toxic way to start that. Why are you trying to dictate who should post what and how they do it? Maybe someone wants to measure in bananas. Maybe someone wants to clarify their edit. I don’t see the point of the post if you’re not looking to tease out anything but an unnatural result.

Lemmy will be whatever the humans that make it will be.

[-] Zozano@aussie.zone 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This reply triggered an unhealthy emotional reaction in me. I interpret the tone as accusatory and leaves little room for a charitable interpretation of what I said. I don't feel like I can respond to your criticism without arguing.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 4 points 1 year ago

What's so wrong about using bananas for scale?

[-] Zozano@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

That's their thing. You don't take your new partner to the spot where you fell in love with your ex. That's just weird.

[-] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

That seems like a weird comparison...

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[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'd most certainly do that if that spot was simply a romantic location I enjoyed, and it wouldn't be weird unless I also kept talking about my ex.

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