I haven't seen that accusation. There are some communists but no Nazis that I've seen. And I'll take a communist over a Nazi 200% of the time.
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Seconding this, it just doesn't seem to have that kind of vibe.
The political views of the main devs are controversial but it doesnβt really matter since Lemmy is free and open source. No one owns or runs it. Only lemmy.ml specifically is run by the devs.
What about privacy? Will the devs only get your info if you are a part of Lemmy.ml?
I don't understand this question. This is a public platform, there are no secret messages or info. What do you mean by privacy? Hide what from whom?
Look at my other comment with the link. Itβs saying that even if you delete your account the only thing that happens is that you canβt access it anymore but every comment and data is still in the database
What about The Internet Archive? Search engines cache? Copies made by other people? etc.
This is a public platform; don't share things you don't want to be shared. You can't truly expect anything being deleted forever everywhere.
I mean, we can absolutely want that. And data farming is bad. Just objectively. Having a conversation in a public area irl isn't consent to being recorded. Why should it be on the internet? If the delete option doesn't actually delete anything, it should clearly reflect that. I have no idea why you would argue against user control of their data.
This is what the devs are saying: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/2977#issuecomment-1584337286
I don't want to argue, so I'll end it here.
You can fight for a better implementation, sure. Of course I would not be against that! I just personally fail to see the real issue with the way things are now on a public platform.
But you don't need consent to record someone in public. If you want to have a private conversation, then have a private conversation. Having a conversation in public and expecting it to remain private is over entitlement in my opinion. You have absolutely no expectation to privacy in a public space, nor should you.
But we can, its the internet. Why shouldn't we be able to delete things? I'm not a ceo, I'm not a politician. The world has no vested interest in preserving a post i make. I should have control of my data. I seriously cannot fathom how anyone could possibly argue otherwise. I'm an ordinary civilian, and my data should belong to me and I should be able to have it deleted if I so choose. Note that every single massive social media platform essentially by law has to provide you means to do this. Lemmy should not be exempt from this. Whats the point of leaving reddit to join another platform that doesn't respect its user base? It's nonsense.
And I never said it was illegal (I specified the opposite actually), but its obviously wrong to walk up to 2 people sitting on a park bench having a quiet conversation between the two of them and record it without even asking them.
This is how every website on the internet works. Itβs why they say everything is permanent on the internet.
Some companies have to enforce retention policies for business and/or legal reasons, which means they actually have to delete your data if they say they will.
Some sites only "soft" delete things because it's simply easier and cheaper.
Regardless, I can't reiterate what you said enough:
Itβs why they say everything is permanent on the internet.
Nobody should ever once in their life assume that data they post online will be discarded, ever. Maybe it will, but never assume it will. Even if you run the server yourself and delete the data files on your server and send the hard disks into the sun, if the data was ever accessed, you should treat it as if it's been captured and retained somewhere.
If you don't want it there don't post it. The internet is scraped and copied and backed up. You can ask for it to be deleted but the company likely doesn't own every copy.
Okay but you're commenting on a public forum, and didn't give anyone your name or any other PII when you signed up? Why are you worried about not being able to delete the things you're posting anonymously anyway?
I never said I was worried. Itβs just the general idea when actual companies usually have a data deletion policy in place. Having a data retention policy in place is usually a good look
No, it's run by tankies, not neo-Nazis.
It isnβt run by them since the platform is open source. They run Lemmy.ml but other instances are free of their influence.
They also run the project, unless someone is going to fork it. I'm not suggesting anybody does or being critical at all though.
What would forking do? The code has no ideology.
Which is why I'm on Kbin instead, frankly.
Another conservation I had recently said that lemmygrad is apparently run by communists and harbor tankies. If I had to venture a guess, whoever wrote what you saw doesn't understand the difference between nazis and communists, and that's where it's coming from. Or maybe there's also a nazi instance here somewhere, but as long as you're not part of their instance or an instance that federated with them, you won't see any of that shit
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See one of the two devs' essays here for his political views: https://github.com/dessalines/essays
Having said that, you're free to join a different instance (like the one I'm commenting from), if you have issues with that. I haven't personally noticed anything actually problematic though.
Edit: quick answer -> definitely not neo-nazis, and probably not relevant either
Apparently βa fewβ essays on communism is thousands of links and articles.
I found the link in my history https://raddle.me/f/lobby/155371/warning-lemmy-doesn-t-care-about-your-privacy-everything-is
The only data you give them is stuff you post on there. If it's sensitive information, don't post! I mean, obviously your stuff is going to get stored in the instance you post on. If you don't think whoever running the instance should have that info, don't give it to them!
As others have said, so what? It's decentralized platform. If you don't want to interact with them, then don't. Nobody runs lemmy. It's a collection of instances communicating with each other. That is the beauty of it.
It's decentralized. It isn't run by anyone.
No it's ran by a tankie, but I honestly don't care
No youβre thinking of twitter
No. That's a new one, though.
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