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4GB of dependencies shared across loads of apps
The horror... That's almost 0,4% of my drive!
Its good if all many apps use them. But the problem is when you have to install one 10mb app and it pulls 4gb deps.
Also i don't know what is flapak runtimes which are big and different versions of them are required for different apps
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4Gb of dependencies so far
I use Flatpaks mostly because I like having my base os and gui minimal as possible. Every thinking that is not core os I install as a flatpak. This is great because I didn't have to install dependencies like lib32 and other libraries on my root partition. Lean and mean.
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Yeah storage is cheap but I last reformated my boot drive in 2017 so my root partition is 20GB and now I have no room for Flatpak. Now I could just resize it but wheres the fun in that.
TL:DR "A 20GB root partition ought to be enough for anybody."
You can have flatpak install it's stuff into your home with the --user flag.
I feel your pain. Flatpack can really ruin partitioning strategies.
It has an installations feature to use any location, as well as users home by default.
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I seriously want to switch some of the small distros like tinycore as a daily driver.
1GB of RAM and 4GB disk space is more than enough for all but the most bloated apps.
I've put steam on a librebooted chromebook with similar stats, it has to install games on a usb drive/sd card but it works quite well even for casual linux gamers
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I use flatpaks on my desktop all the time, no issue with storage space. But my laptop with only 128gb SSD starts sweating.
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Flatpak don't be like this at all.
I suppose it might seem like that if you install it just for a singular app. Then the runtime + possible drivers are a hefty load. But everything after that, the weight of the deps proportional to the apps gets lighter through shared runtimes, drivers, dedupping and so on.
Some go to install a singular flatpak and are horrified by the amount it tries to install and never look back. Which I sorta get, though if that their level of familiarity with flatpak they might not be the best people to partake in the dep/flatpak/snap/appimage fights. But they still do.
Yes, the same can be said if you run GNOME and install a single KDE app or vice-versa. And here’s my petition to convert DigiKam to FLTK so everyone can enjoy it.
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I used it after getting frustrated with the AUR. Never looked back unless the package wasn't on Flatpak or had an AppImage.
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Flatpak is crazy inefficient, but at least I can get software that is not yet on distro repos. It will get better.
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I found a QT app today. Uncompiled file size: 1 MB. Compiled size: 100 MB
Yeah, completely normal for Qt... well, if you bundle everything that is. If it depends on shared libraries, should't be larger than 10MB or so.
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those are shared tho, no biggie
I haven't had any real issues with Flatpaks outside of them not following my GTK theme which I fixed with Flatseal.
When you've got decent Internet and storage is cheap....
flatpak is about permission:
https://github.com/tchx84/Flatseal
the fact that gtk, qt, firefox pull in a hundred deps is their own problem.
not a problem per se..
ask software to install itself twice and it becomes noticable how enormous the code is.
I just use appimages, they are even smaller than native packages many times due to their compression, for example libreoffice being 300 vs 600 MiB, librewolf 110 vs 330 MiB, etc.
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